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From: Christopher Schmidt <christopher@ch.ristopher.com>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: XEmacs feature missing in GNU Emacs?
Date: Wed,  1 May 2013 11:04:46 +0100 (BST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <878v3zdnhc@ch.ristopher.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACeWA3gtbsFiD=wAqLOkuFrd8Dyvwmzsyd5DMjVi8cW=DU=SyQ@mail.gmail.com> (Steven Degutis's message of "Mon, 29 Apr 2013 12:22:20 -0500")

Steven Degutis <sbdegutis@gmail.com> writes:

> Advantages such as...?

To me, being an ordinary Emacs user, the most striking advantage is the
separation of release cycles.

GNU Emacs is a vivid ecosystem of different packages.  The release
distribution is a static snapshot.

This is not exactly problematic to all these lisp packages which are
mature and do not change much any more.  It is problematic to those
packages which still undergo development.  Consider Org-Mode, for
example.  One is pretty much on its own in terms of community support
and specific bug fixes if one uses the distribution bundled with GNU
Emacs.

Separate release cycles of core and packages and release new versions of
packages when they are considered mature and stable - not when another
core release of Emacs accidentally happens.

This does not necessarily imply any user visible changes or massive
changes to the development infrastructure.  For starters, use the
package.el magic to generate packages from the lisp/-tree at build-time.
Create an ELPA branch which distributes emergency bug/security fixes and
major releases of packages such as Gnus, Org-Mode or CEDET on top (!) of
the regular distribution in the release tarball.

Stephen wrote a retrospective assessment of XEmacs modularization here:

    http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/151146


I have been thinking about this idea for some time now.  I really like
it.  I am convinced that this is a win for both users and developers.
Are there any notable disadvantages?

        Christopher



  reply	other threads:[~2013-05-01 10:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-04-28 19:25 XEmacs Steven Degutis
2013-04-28 19:28 ` XEmacs James Freer
2013-04-28 21:15   ` XEmacs Glyn Millington
2013-04-28 22:28     ` XEmacs James Freer
2013-04-29  6:17       ` XEmacs glyn.millington
2013-04-29 16:21         ` XEmacs feature missing in GNU Emacs? (was: XEmacs) Bastien
2013-04-29 17:01           ` XEmacs feature missing in GNU Emacs? Christopher Schmidt
2013-04-29 17:22             ` Steven Degutis
2013-05-01 10:04               ` Christopher Schmidt [this message]
2013-04-29 17:04           ` XEmacs feature missing in GNU Emacs? (was: XEmacs) Ian van der Neut
2013-04-29 17:11             ` Ian van der Neut
2013-04-29 17:18               ` Ian van der Neut
2013-04-29 17:38                 ` XEmacs feature missing in GNU Emacs? Bastien
2013-04-29 18:47                   ` Ian van der Neut
2013-04-30  8:51                     ` Bastien
     [not found]           ` <mailman.24842.1367254876.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-04-30  9:19             ` Alan Mackenzie
     [not found]         ` <mailman.24838.1367252519.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-04-29 20:55           ` Dan Espen
2013-04-30  8:55             ` Bastien
2013-04-30 18:48               ` Glenn Morris
     [not found]               ` <mailman.24911.1367347700.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-04-30 19:35                 ` Dan Espen
2013-05-01 13:32                 ` rusi
2013-04-30 13:48             ` Tassilo Horn
     [not found]             ` <mailman.24891.1367329755.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-04-30 16:18               ` Dan Espen
2013-04-30 18:23                 ` Drew Adams
     [not found]                 ` <mailman.24910.1367346251.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-04-30 18:35                   ` Dan Espen
2013-04-30 19:57                     ` Drew Adams
2013-05-04 23:38                     ` Stefan Monnier
2013-05-05  1:58                       ` J. David Boyd
2013-05-05  2:49                         ` Drew Adams
     [not found]                     ` <mailman.25131.1367710708.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-05-05  0:34                       ` Dan Espen
2013-04-30 20:02         ` XEmacs "Jérôme M. Berger"
2013-05-14  7:20         ` XEmacs Luca Ferrari
     [not found]     ` <mailman.24804.1367188121.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
     [not found]       ` <kmiima$te5$1@speranza.aioe.org>
2013-05-11 19:08         ` XEmacs unfrostedpoptart
     [not found]           ` <kmohnv$9nn$1@speranza.aioe.org>
2013-05-12 21:29             ` XEmacs Emanuel Berg
2013-05-13 20:13               ` XEmacs Hils
2013-05-13 21:04                 ` XEmacs Emanuel Berg
2013-05-13 22:06                 ` XEmacs Glyn Millington
2013-05-17  1:38               ` XEmacs Emanuel Berg
2013-05-15 15:26             ` XEmacs Cecil Westerhof
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2013-04-30 14:01 XEmacs feature missing in GNU Emacs? (was: XEmacs) Buchs, Kevin
2013-04-30 16:03 ` XEmacs feature missing in GNU Emacs? Glenn Morris

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