From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Robert Thorpe Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: I am confused: why Emacs keybindings in OS X? Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 01:55:04 +0000 Message-ID: <878u39b153.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> References: <52c0bcab-c37e-4ecb-960e-5b46dcc10c2f@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1454032535 4915 80.91.229.3 (29 Jan 2016 01:55:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 01:55:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Alan Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 29 02:55:24 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aOyHS-0000uD-TS for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2016 02:55:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59363 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aOyHS-0002K1-Dg for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 20:55:22 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55971) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aOyHG-0002GL-6O for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 20:55:11 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aOyHD-00028f-0k for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 20:55:10 -0500 Original-Received: from outbound-smtp03.blacknight.com ([81.17.249.16]:47098) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aOyHC-00028U-Pq for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 20:55:06 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.blacknight.com (pemlinmail04.blacknight.ie [81.17.254.17]) by outbound-smtp03.blacknight.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9DEFE98F37 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2016 01:55:05 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: (qmail 6099 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2016 01:55:05 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO RTLaptop) (rt@robertthorpeconsulting.com@[86.167.171.246]) by 81.17.254.9 with ESMTPSA (DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA encrypted, authenticated); 29 Jan 2016 01:55:05 -0000 In-Reply-To: <52c0bcab-c37e-4ecb-960e-5b46dcc10c2f@googlegroups.com> (message from Alan on Wed, 27 Jan 2016 00:34:04 -0800 (PST)) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 81.17.249.16 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:108904 Archived-At: Alan writes: > 1. Emacs is hardly found in any GNU/Linux distro, except if installed > by oneself. Yet, in OS X, it is there, ready to go. ???? What is > the history of this? In some ways this is because GNU/Linux distros target less powerful machines. People often complain about the size of the base install, so many distro try to keep it small. There also the complexity of the directory structure, which is more important that bytes of hard disk used in my view. OS X gives you Emacs 22, which was the last version to use GPL 2. > 2. On OS X, Emacs keybindings (or what I call Emacs Keybindings) for > navigation, at least, are ubiquitous. (And the iMac keyboard is much > more comfortable to type on that a similar laptop keyboard from a > Thinkpad.) Yet, Emacs on OS X, at least in my case, does not adhere > to the same keybindings as closely is on Linux. WTF?! I think that's mostly because of the readline library. It defines keybindings similar to Emacs in lots of situations. In OS X which ones were you thinking of? Incidentally, some Emacs keybindings can also be enabled for Gnome applications and for Firefox, you can read on the web about how to do that. BR, Robert Thorpe