From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Nick Dokos Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: [GNU-Emacs] request: better subject lines Date: Wed, 03 May 2017 19:25:52 -0400 Message-ID: <878tmd8qv3.fsf@alphaville.usersys.redhat.com> References: <874lx5dhwd.fsf@pippiandcarlos.com> <20170502122324867083797@bob.proulx.com> <20170502230426626149279@bob.proulx.com> <8760hhvgws.fsf@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1493853995 6033 195.159.176.226 (3 May 2017 23:26:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 23:26:35 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu May 04 01:26:31 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d63fC-0001Sb-Pz for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 04 May 2017 01:26:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39038 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d63fI-0008DQ-Ey for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 May 2017 19:26:36 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34526) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d63er-0008DG-9V for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 03 May 2017 19:26:10 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d63en-0002Ad-Cr for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 03 May 2017 19:26:09 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=35390 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d63en-0002AG-5v for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 03 May 2017 19:26:05 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d63ee-0000wj-8c for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2017 01:25:56 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 65 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:exVn2EQMGl18KM5OE93OkD/D5SQ= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:112947 Archived-At: Emanuel Berg writes: > Bob Proulx writes: > >> But Gmane has been discontinued since last July >> 2016. It is not currently an option for people. >> Offline for most of the past year. >> >> For those wishing to read up on the saga these three >> in this order should get you up to speed on things. >> >> https://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2016/07/28/the-end-of-gmane/ >> >> http://gmane.org/find.php?list=help+gnu+emacs >> >> http://home.gmane.org/ >> >> I was sad to see Lars discontinue Gmane. It was >> a good resource. > > For his work on Gnus and Gmane, Lars is a *legend* > were it so to stop forever tomorrow. But it hasn't > stopped and God willing it won't. I have been using it > all this time and I still am, I am typing this in > a message buffer hooked to gmane.emacs.help ! AFAIK, Lars has dissociated himself from Gmane, but he has given the spool to a couple of people who are trying to bring everything back (with a new implementation). The NNTP part of this works fine (I too read the mailing list as a news group from gmane), but there is a lot of work still to be done (e.g. search does *not* work afaik). The new people set up a blog (https://home/gmane.org/) but there has been no progress update since last September. I hope they are still working on it. > > Usenet was one of the best things ever and in many > ways Gmane is better, at least in terms of technology. > In terms of the content, it is both better and worse. > It is better because it is much more to the point, > less flame wars etc. One should then remember that > Usenet was once thought of as a very disciplined > place. Gmane and the listbots-as-newsgroups is > super-disciplined then, I suppose. The drawback is > that on groups like for example rec.bicycles.tech > there is tons of off-topic discussions that are > actually healthy and very interesting. That culture is > lost here to a great extent. But not entirely; compare > the SX Q&A sites where there is no culture whatsoever, > actually it is impossible, built-in in the > architecture. Those sites are very useful, so it is > not an issue of what is better. As for me, I always > wanted the culture *and* the technology. Just because > I do computers doesn't mean I am a computer or want to > be one. Did I find the culture? Well, Gnus and Gmane > and listbots-as-newsgroups as well as real Usenet > groups (aioe, also thru Gnus) are the closest I got. > > Perhaps it is a lost cause, because > > you can fire your arrows from the tower of Babel, > but you can NEVER strike God -- Nick