From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: wgreenhouse-sGOZH3hwPm2sTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org (W. Greenhouse) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: What's an even easier explanation how to setup gnus ... Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 20:17:44 +0000 Message-ID: <877gfpmjkn.fsf@motoko.kusanagi> References: <5i61va9u7p.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1376425102 11936 80.91.229.3 (13 Aug 2013 20:18:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 20:18:22 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Tue Aug 13 22:18:24 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1V9L2s-0005wv-GM for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 22:18:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36493 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V9L2r-0000Ci-UN for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 16:18:21 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60082) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V9L2c-0000CE-FW for help-gnu-emacs-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 16:18:11 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V9L2X-00069S-8P for help-gnu-emacs-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 16:18:06 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:59222) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V9L2X-00069N-1S for help-gnu-emacs-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 16:18:01 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1V9L2U-0005jc-Ro for help-gnu-emacs-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 22:17:58 +0200 Original-Received: from torsrvp.snydernet.net ([109.163.230.91]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 22:17:58 +0200 Original-Received: from wgreenhouse by torsrvp.snydernet.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 22:17:58 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 61 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet-dbVV3NMTNubNLxjTenLetw@public.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: torsrvp.snydernet.net X-Archive: encrypt User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:FV+4Zodm6nwW6xZfxL3M5Z39thQ= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:92858 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Don Saklad writes: > Please explain the instructions for folks completely unfamiliar with > computers, for complete novices how to setup gnus... for example for > grandparents unfamiliar with computers. Gnus configuration is very simple (a few lines) if you intend to use it "like RMAIL" (i.e. reading mail delivered to local system maildrop, and writing mail to be sent by the system's mailer). Then, assuming grandpa is using a terminal/workstation that's managed by a competent admin, it's simply a matter of choosing which kind of local mail storage you prefer. (setq gnus-select-method '(nnml "") mail-user-agent 'gnus-user-agent message-send-mail-function 'message-send-mail-with-sendmail) would be enough for such a configuration. Hopefully this tiny example also helps explain why things get more complex when messages are being retrieved from multiple sources (i.e. Usenet, RSS, etc.) or when Gnus is responsible for mail retrieval. Also, in a more global sense, I would focus on turning such users into people competent to read documentation and support themselves. Also, please consider http://coding2learn.org/blog/2013/07/29/kids-cant-use-computers/ when you assume (a) that it's grandparents who are the ignorant users, when they may have more experience than their grandkids with general purpose computing, and (b) that it is a wise long-term strategy to cater to user ignorance. -- W. 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