From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: William G. Gardella Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: What are advantages and disadvantages of RMAIL and mh-rmail ? Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 20:33:11 +0000 Message-ID: <877ge8zjeg.fsf@motoko.kusanagi> References: <5ili3zuuj0.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <878uyoua8b.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1379882729 27290 80.91.229.3 (22 Sep 2013 20:45:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 20:45:29 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Sun Sep 22 22:45:32 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VNqX5-0002Wz-NE for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 22:45:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36637 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VNqX5-0006NH-CH for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 16:45:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:32980) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VNqWm-0006NB-RZ for help-gnu-emacs-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 16:45:18 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VNqWh-0001O2-HF for help-gnu-emacs-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 16:45:12 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:37245) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VNqWh-0001Nq-A9 for help-gnu-emacs-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 16:45:07 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VNqWe-0002MW-6O for help-gnu-emacs-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 22:45:04 +0200 Original-Received: from 212.7.194.71 ([212.7.194.71]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 22:45:04 +0200 Original-Received: from wgg2 by 212.7.194.71 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 22:45:04 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 69 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet-dbVV3NMTNubNLxjTenLetw@public.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.7.194.71 X-Archive: encrypt User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:ovPolcBl0Uz6PBk/hd0Dm7npup8= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:93510 Archived-At: Emanuel Berg writes: > wgreenhouse-sGOZH3hwPm2sTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org (W. Greenhouse) writes: > >> With MH-E you have the option of using the MH >> implementation's command line tools to manipulate your >> mail ... > > 100% correct, and that is a great advantage. If you go > from a web mail service, be it Hotmail or even > Gmail... -- to experience this transition is a *dream*! > >> Or, you can use Gnus as read-mail-command instead of >> either of these, which is my own preference. > > How do you do that? It was very easy to setup RMAIL, I > think below 30 minutes, but every time I see some > tutorial about mail in Gnus it seems it requires hours > of hacking (?). That's because a lot of the tutorials suffer from bitrot; timeliness in wiki pages and blog posts is a real problem, especially since software configuration advice necessarily changes over time. To set up Gnus for locally delivered mail (similar to how you'd use RMAIL or MH-E, with system MTA/MDA facilities routing the mail to your inbox, and the system MTA sending mail) is a very brief configuration. Something like this is all that's really needed for this: (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nnml "")) ;; This is similar to an MH mail store, with the ;; addition of news-server-like "news overview" files ;; that make the summary buffer's display faster. message-send-mail-function 'message-sendmail-send-it mail-user-agent 'gnus-user-agent ;; `compose-mail' and related ;; commands will use ;; message-mode with full Gnus features read-mail-command 'gnus) ;; Clicking on the "Mail" flag in ;; display-time-mode launches gnus ;; instead of RMAIL I use a setup similar to this, with the addition of other `gnus-secondary-select-methods' elements corresponding to my IMAP mailboxes. It is very nice seeing everything in one coherent interface. > I use Gnus for Usenet and RMAIL for mails. But sometimes > I get both Usenet posts *and* mails (with the same > contents) as is often the case for this group, for > example, so it is not optimal. Also, the "one big file" > solution for RMAIL is not good. Gnus offers a number of file-based mail backends. See (info "(gnus) Choosing a Mail Back End"). > What's more, why shouldn't you use Gnus (or your > favourite newsreader) for mail, as well? I use message > mode for both (this required some minor hacks), and > there seems to be noting separating them apart from the > broadcast character of Usenet (but that can be > implemented as a listbot as well, so again I see almost > no difference). Indeed, for Gnus an "article" is an article, regardless of how it was delivered :) That abstraction has certain nice advantages (e.g. Gnus can let you use score files and killfiles for mail as well as news). -- Finally, Zippy drives his 1958 RAMBLER METROPOLITAN into the faculty dining room.