From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: making software with Emacs and Elisp Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 14:40:12 +0200 Organization: Informatimago Message-ID: <877gd8i09f.fsf@informatimago.com> References: <87ob6k23t3.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> <20131020111514.1d42b8b0@aga-netbook> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1382271422 2202 80.91.229.3 (20 Oct 2013 12:17:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 12:17:02 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 20 14:17:07 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VXrwR-0006JV-6M for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 14:17:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35990 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VXrwQ-0007i3-Lp for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 08:17:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38937) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VXrwD-0007hn-0m for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 08:16:57 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VXrw8-0007WP-KS for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 08:16:52 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:55508) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VXrw8-0007WE-DI for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 08:16:48 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VXrw6-00068D-Gj for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 14:16:46 +0200 Original-Received: from amontsouris-651-1-117-120.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr ([83.202.52.120]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 14:16:46 +0200 Original-Received: from pjb by amontsouris-651-1-117-120.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 14:16:46 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 37 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: amontsouris-651-1-117-120.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAQMAAABtzGvEAAAABlBMVEUAAAD///+l2Z/dAAAA oElEQVR4nK3OsRHCMAwF0O8YQufUNIQRGIAja9CxSA55AxZgFO4coMgYrEDDQZWPIlNAjwq9 033pbOBPtbXuB6PKNBn5gZkhGa86Z4x2wE67O+06WxGD/HCOGR0deY3f9Ijwwt7rNGNf6Oac l/GuZTF1wFGKiYYHKSFAkjIo1b6sCYS1sVmFhhhahKQssRjRT90ITWUk6vvK3RsPGs+M1RuR mV+hO/VvFAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Accept-Language: fr, es, en User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:YTk3NjU4OTllOTRmOGM4ZTc3NjRhMWQzZjE1MjA0MGMxYTdlMTQ2NA== X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:94111 Archived-At: Marcin Borkowski writes: > Dnia 2013-10-20, o godz. 02:17:35 > Emanuel Berg napisał(a): > >> I have several ideas for software that has to do with >> physical things, and does not belong in the world of >> computing. For example, I'm working on a tool to teach >> deaf people read lips! (Not "Lisp".) >> >> Is there a minimal binary Emacs VM for the accursed >> Apple and Windows world, that you could distribute along >> with the software, or is there another way you could >> make all that work? > > I understand that you want to develop your application in "EmacsOS";), > that is, using Emacs as a "operating system" or "framework" or "virtual > machine" (or whatever is the current buzzword at the moment), so that > you get high portability (without Java etc.). You forgot "textual user interface". > One thing that comes to mind is Clojure (with which I have zero > experience), but it gives you the benefits of Lisp, of portability (at > least as much as Java does) and of libraries (read JVM). And this is what clojure and java don't have. A good alternative would be the Oberon system in a virtual machine. http://www.oberon.ethz.ch/downloads/index > And, did you see this: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsPortableApp ? > > Hth, -- __Pascal Bourguignon__ http://www.informatimago.com/