From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Elisp addiction not as bad in light of Linux forkoholism Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 03:07:08 +0100 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <877fxxiptf.fsf@debian.uxu> References: <873891sgaw.fsf@debian.uxu> <87sih1qwxm.fsf@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418350235 17406 80.91.229.3 (12 Dec 2014 02:10:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 02:10:35 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 12 03:10:28 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XzFgY-0006Zt-C9 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 03:10:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55125 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XzFgX-0005Yf-01 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 21:10:25 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!news.stack.nl!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 60 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: feB02bRejf23rfBm51Mt7Q.user.speranza.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:O9I8QjV1Yr7uEVGMPajIMUwRUOU= Mail-Copies-To: never Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:209254 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:101534 Archived-At: Filipp Gunbin writes: >> I used to think if I just had Emacs and a shell to >> hammer commands the OS wouldn't matter. That was >> when I was young and elastic. Now I'm a bit older >> and I only acknowledge that principle in principle. >> Actually I'm a bit cut in stone. But at least I >> know that stone works (almost) no matter. > > Just interesting, what OS specifics you are sticking > to? I use Debian which is very common among people like me. I don't know if we are the same from day one or using the same software made us the same. I think I could use any Unix-like system though. I consider Linux do be Unix -- and GNU is obviously not UNIX only as a clever irony. As I see it, the thing with writing code is that you should be able to do it all the time, at every place of your system. For example, I can deep into having the time displayed in a certain way in the shell: long-date () { start_of_month=`date +"%Y%m01"` days_of_month=`date -d "$start_of_month + 1 month - 1 day" | cut -d\ -f3` full_date=" %b %d %H:%M - %A: week %V - month %m (of $days_of_month days) - %Y" tput setaf 3 /bin/date +$full_date tput sgr0 } Not to mention all Emacs hacking that is just a bottomless pit, which is a huge part why I love the software (and a huge part why it is so good). I don't doubt Windows programmers can be very good as programmers but they are always working on their big projects to make money or do big things. But those big projects are all so distant, and besides the programmers might not even enjoy those projects themselves. I want to do all small things, it is relaxing to do and when done I enjoy it immediately, and ever since. The way I perceive Windows programmers working on their would-be-Quake-killer is that they aren't as free as us Unixers, they are in the "cage" of the OS, instead of as fish in the water. The interface is also a big part in making "small things, every thing" programming possible because if it is all just text, and you like it that way, that speeds up development a hundred times. -- underground experts united