From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: computer history (was: Re: member returns list) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 02:01:36 +0200 Message-ID: <877fnr1bbz.fsf_-_@debian.uxu> References: <87bndfauey.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87wpw0e58f.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> <87si6n822t.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87oaha9a64.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87twr1pycd.fsf@debian.uxu> <87zj0s5yc8.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87r3m45r7a.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87egi45fiw.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87r3m341tj.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1442361221 22998 80.91.229.3 (15 Sep 2015 23:53:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 23:53:41 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 16 01:53:32 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zc02V-0004zG-9j for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 01:53:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46453 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zc02U-0005GQ-R5 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:53:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57377) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zc02J-0005GF-Tj for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:53:20 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zc02G-0003Gb-Mz for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:53:19 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:51731) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zc02G-0003GB-GK for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:53:16 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zc02D-0004eL-TE for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 01:53:13 +0200 Original-Received: from nl106-137-244.student.uu.se ([130.243.137.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 01:53:13 +0200 Original-Received: from embe8573 by nl106-137-244.student.uu.se with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 01:53:13 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Lines: 47 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: nl106-137-244.student.uu.se Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:4IhogXYzQ6N/vsJNGdAFge/J/1M= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:107224 Archived-At: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" writes: > Nope. XML comes from SGML -> HTML (dead-end), > therefore SGML -> XML. > > Only good things can derive from Lisp. Tho I didn't agree with the attitude "no this, no that" in principle, that doesn't mean this wasn't exactly what happened in the only history which is real. So here is what you have said so far, with some edits to the form only. Perhaps you can expand it even further both backward and forward in time? It could start with the transistor in the 40s/50s (Nobel Prize in Physics in 1956) and end with the most recent advances, for examples e-mail and Walkie Talkies. Speaking of communication, that isn't included at all save for the "HTTP/www": mail, Usenet, and SMSs should be there - somewhere! Also, the edges (if this is a FSM) should perhaps carry labels why there is a transition and/or in what sense? Anyways: SGML -> HTML -> XML LISP -> Smalltalk -> Parc -> Apple -> LISA -> Macintosh -> Windows Smalltalk -> Objective-C -> NeXTSTEP -> Mac OS X -> iOS -> iPad -> iPhone NeXTSTEP -> HTTP/www -> Google, Facebook, Twitter Java -> Android -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573