From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Proper behavior of C-u 3 C-v Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 12:30:08 +0200 Message-ID: <877dty993j.fsf@ebih.ebihd> References: <8450b9205b4c686979c2e26962d377a7@posteo.net> <837dtzkh3k.fsf@gnu.org> <87h7t3xm2u.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Emanuel Berg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="2936"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:BsaMrMDdaBvWNiIzQ2MoTNC5gxk= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 16 12:30:51 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1k7FwB-0000gF-15 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 12:30:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57914 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k7FwA-0001zC-3M for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 06:30:50 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41976) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k7Fvf-0001yT-F4 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 06:30:19 -0400 Original-Received: from static.214.254.202.116.clients.your-server.de ([116.202.254.214]:42204 helo=ciao.gmane.io) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k7Fvd-0005bs-Pb for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 06:30:19 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1k7Fva-00006E-Ki for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 12:30:14 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/08/16 06:30:15 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -8 X-Spam_score: -0.9 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (-0.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:123671 Archived-At: Amin Bandali wrote: > The doc string is indeed clear, but I personally > wouldn't have expected that behaviour. I'm curious > if there's a particular reason why C-v deviates > from the convention of other similar movement > commands, where specifying a numerical ARG `n' > would have the effect of performing that command's > action `n' times (e.g. M-3 M-f to move forward > three words). Another inconsistency is (scroll-down 1) (scroll-up 1) where one expects the byte-compiler to say, use (scroll 1) and (scroll -1) instead, but it doesn't, and for good reason because there isn't a `scroll', even. And another inconsistency is: (scroll-other-window-down 1) (scroll-other-window 1) compared to scroll-up/scroll-down, where -up is explicit. But actually, I think that looks better and what I see nothing stops you from using (scroll-other-window -X) instead of (scroll-other-window-down X). It is also more clear since people have different ideas what up and down, but just "scroll" everyone can agree means "read on". BTW civilized scrolling, one step at a time, including horizontally: https://dataswamp.org/~incal/emacs-init/scroll.el -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 https://dataswamp.org/~incal