From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Heerdegen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Morally equivalent Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2022 01:10:21 +0200 Message-ID: <877d0zfjqa.fsf@web.de> References: <87y1tfzhzm.fsf@undisclosedlocation.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="38999"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:aaZGrC17hzPoJl+h4o4O88SWZL8= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 17 01:11:30 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1okCn4-000A0g-CF for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2022 01:11:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53442 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1okCn3-000799-1N for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 19:11:29 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37690) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1okCmD-00077W-1J for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 19:10:37 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:60554) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1okCm7-0007bA-ES for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 19:10:36 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1okCm3-0008t4-Og for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2022 01:10:27 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:140016 Archived-At: Christopher Dimech writes: > It is just political nonsense pushed into software. An introductory > textbook for beginning undergraduates is never serious. And even > if it was serious, morality does not work. Either it is equivalent, > or it is not. There is no morality in it. I was not familiar with that term (doesn't appear in German) but understood the doc perfectly. OTOH, if the text said This is not equivalent to (setf PLACE (cons NEWELT PLACE)) I would not have understood (and it is _not_ equivalent). Until someone comes with a better wording we should stop the Stefan-bashing. Read it as "equivalent in some sense", and good. It's a text, ok, not a computer program controlling the city traffic. Michael.