From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: florian@fsavigny.de (Florian v. Savigny) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: mail-mode does not insert a date header Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 12:15:49 +0200 Message-ID: <8761m5pqui.fsf@bertrandrussell.Speedport_W_723V_1_32_000> References: <83siqpop2d.fsf@gnu.org> <83siqfa4hw.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1397902581 23653 80.91.229.3 (19 Apr 2014 10:16:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 10:16:21 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 19 12:16:14 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WbSJi-0005AN-2Q for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Apr 2014 12:16:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41543 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WbSJh-0006iw-H6 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Apr 2014 06:16:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51748) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WbSJS-0006hs-BK for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Apr 2014 06:16:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WbSJM-0000Zo-DS for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Apr 2014 06:15:58 -0400 Original-Received: from srv4.ns-domain-hosting.de ([178.63.89.203]:37983) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WbSJM-0000Zf-45 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Apr 2014 06:15:52 -0400 X-No-Relay: not in my network Original-Received: from bertrandrussell.Speedport_W_723V_1_32_000 (p4FECD99D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [79.236.217.157]) by srv4.ns-domain-hosting.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AD6A1186405 for ; Sat, 19 Apr 2014 12:15:50 +0200 (CEST) In-reply-to: <83siqfa4hw.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Tue, 18 Mar 2014 17:52:27 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 178.63.89.203 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:97225 Archived-At: Hi Eli and Kevin, thank you very much for your replies back in March. I am sorry to say that being very busy otherwise, I seem to have lost track of the question then. But I have been able to continue now. > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 17:52:27 +0200 > From: Eli Zaretskii >=20 > > From: Kevin Rodgers > > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 23:33:01 -0600 > >=20 > > On 3/10/14 1:01 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > Isn't the Date header inserted by the MTA, as opposed by the MUA? > >=20 > > Yes, but if Emacs is talking directly with a server via SMTP, Emacs= is > > effectively the MTA and should insert the Date header. >=20 > How do you see that OP's Emacs is talking directly to the server?=20 Indeed I did not indicate that in any way; sorry. > Anyway, even if Emacs is the MTA (e.g., via smptmail.el), it inserts > the Date header behind the scenes, so the answer to the OP's question > whether he should add that header to his mail before sending still > stands, I think. Yes. I do use sendmail.el, i.e. I use Emacs as both MUA and MTA. Your questions have now led to some deep searching on my part, and I have managed to figure it out: I had been using smtpmail-auth.el for ages, since a time when the SMTP AUTH code was not yet included in smtpmail.el by default. Although I should have suspected that it was going to be, and do follow Emacs News, that news had somehow escaped me. (My guess is that happened soon after I started using it.) In addition, it seems that at some rather recent point in time (24.1.? Does that match summer 2012?), smtpmail.el had somehow taken over the responsibility of inserting the date header (wherefrom I don't know), and obviously, the old smtpmail-auth.el was not accordingly updated, so that's where it started to malfunction. I have deinstalled the additional, old smptmail-auth.el, and switched to default behaviour, with an ~/.authinfo file. Now, I do get the Date headers (which should show above now). It seems that smtpmail-auth.el is even completely off the web now, so I have apparently been nurturing a fossil. Thanks very much again, Florian --=20 Florian von Savigny Melanchthonstr. 41 33615 Bielefeld