From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: manual activism Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 04:53:30 +0100 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <8761e11epx.fsf@debian.uxu> References: <87egt14r51.fsf@reader.local.lan> <87vbmdkytr.fsf_-_@debian.uxu> <87mw7ogqn7.fsf@debian.uxu> <871tp0gmwc.fsf@debian.uxu> <87ppckf1tr.fsf@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417060528 23094 80.91.229.3 (27 Nov 2014 03:55:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 03:55:28 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 27 04:55:19 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XtqAo-0006iZ-EY for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 04:55:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36931 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XtqAo-0006Ek-49 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:55:18 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!194.109.133.83.MISMATCH!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!news.stack.nl!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 58 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: feB02bRejf23rfBm51Mt7Q.user.speranza.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:ynVNIES01jpFviwyPmarqo9UhU4= Mail-Copies-To: never Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:208955 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:101235 Archived-At: Dan Espen writes: > What kind of point are you trying to make? > > I read the Kon-Tiki book in my youth. It was good, > but I see no need to read it again. > > Masters of Deception appears to be available as a > free ebook. I'll download it when I get a chance. > > I'm still not anywhere near a Public Library and if > you are trying to imply I need to visit a library, > you are demonstrably wrong. Yeah, OK. I got the impression you never read a book, like in your entire life. I'm happy that wasn't the case :) The point is: many people say they don't need books, books are a thing of the past, they aren't good for the environment, and so on. Those people may be somewhat right from their horizon. If they mean they are fine with looking up a fact or two in their e-book manuals, or pass some time on the subway, OK, they don't need books. But there are many people that read books all the time. They read hundreds every year. Especially girls but there are such guys as well. For them to switch to e-books only is not only very impractical and totally unrealistic but also undesirable, and I'm not one to say what that will do to their minds and bodies, but it ain't good. When *such a person* tells me "I don't need books, I use my device" then I'll believe it. But I don't see that happening too soon or too often, if ever. As for the environment... Trees are not exactly like oil. Besides, we must also consider factors like the total lack of consumption while reading. It is not only the book itself. A lot of people drink soda because they are bored, and restless. In the public library, there is a lot of books but much less soda. Book-worms should have among the lowest levels of consumption of all people I can think of! So it isn't a competition who reads more books because that would be immature :) and besides then the e-book readers will be totally obliterated. It is just e-book readers, and those who pretend to be, should not be outspoken about books because it ain't their domain. Stick to fiddling with those devices and be all hypnotized about it. -- underground experts united