From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: GNUS: how to see all recent messages? Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2022 16:25:01 +0100 Message-ID: <875yfscdgy.fsf@dataswamp.org> References: <8735b225lb.fsf@osv.gnss.ru> <87a659dr6g.fsf@thaodan.de> <875yfwbdge.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <87v8nwiato.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87zgd6q150.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <871qqhh956.fsf@dataswamp.org> <8735ax6qbt.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87bkpkt9w9.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24469"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:5z9HK66GDWSxTmQ4fiGAaTFoC44= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 07 13:39:27 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1os1PS-0006C9-UB for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2022 13:39:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1os1PA-0007yn-QK; Mon, 07 Nov 2022 07:39:09 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1orhb4-0005Id-69 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2022 10:30:06 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1orhb2-0000aI-K6 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2022 10:30:05 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1orhb0-000323-Hx for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2022 16:30:02 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 07 Nov 2022 07:39:03 -0500 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:140771 Archived-At: Eric Abrahamsen wrote: >>>> And you will find, or at least I do, that the old >>>> articles inserted are not necessarily the most recent. >>>> It depends on what groups make up the virtual group. >>>> I know there was a discussion about this behaviour some >>>> months ago now on the gnus list. >>> >>> Okay, but that means the virtual group isn't treated the >>> same way as a regular group. >>> >>> Either this discrepancy is in the group itself or >>> `gnus-summary-insert-old-articles' (and possibly other >>> functions as well) branch and treat it differently for >>> some reason ... >> >> I tried to tick articles and then open the group again. >> They are gone! So OK then, virtual groups seems to be an >> underpowered feature of Gnus ... > > The newer nnselect backend, which provides a superset of > nnvirtual's functionality, doesn't have this problem with > propagating marks to the backend. The question of how to > draw the "most recent" articles from multiple constituent > groups in an intuitive way is still an open issue, > however... Okay, but how does that happen with `gnus-summary-insert-old-articles'? Does it compare some header value? Or look at some index? Why doesn't that work on virtual/select'd groups? -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal