From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bastien Guerry Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: basic question: going back to dired Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:06:02 +0200 Message-ID: <874p6hrgqt.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> References: <4884DC7F.6060406@gmail.com> <819feff4-76e3-4bf8-9ece-7b47f099efc2@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <87mykaw8sb.fsf@nonospaz.fatphil.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216746426 22365 80.91.229.12 (22 Jul 2008 17:07:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:07:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, Miles Bader To: "Juanma Barranquero" Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 22 19:07:54 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KLLKi-0000gt-4u for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:07:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60071 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLLJo-0000hU-Uc for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:06:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLLJR-0000dC-JM for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:06:09 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLLJQ-0000bg-QB for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:06:09 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=42415 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLLJQ-0000b7-Ib for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:06:08 -0400 Original-Received: from qb-out-1314.google.com ([72.14.204.171]:14392) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KLLJQ-0007Tq-EC for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:06:08 -0400 Original-Received: by qb-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id f18so2983559qba.30 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:06:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:from:to:cc:subject :in-reply-to:references:user-agent:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:sender; bh=kBq4346oMORyo4UvQ5NaAhBqTfCauQQsVLwZGgGtD8E=; b=PoYk51fiZCwt8l/mPKwhK8iXFmEFTYWY68wYfRjwJusS1wQDU/HCw8RdwP7CbjNKs+ nNDyU3/9NC8dhvBvjIeX4dOdpuKCd7RbW22budzCGDVxvzLYS5BAu05WtOekTjZcsSCH 4uv03vY4UcIKrtiE5ScHN0gGEVicifVzxN2so= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:user-agent:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type:sender; b=R3Csn3fh06gB/SNHFESbLVAWiaqllKxLqG9oeBPfnlkuR0wwpfiCuHHZ6KZLSsGqUa A+UK0z5KXKU2NaPPh3HD+NVfi/n9hgvdaIPpJlulytMQiFmYRbn0KkK544eqO3SsPPaE 8uW6QIqjR3O/PFhWkYF1bHBVgWlwO+7YKMJ8A= Original-Received: by 10.210.19.11 with SMTP id 11mr4742707ebs.32.1216746366817; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:06:06 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from bzg.ath.cx ( [79.94.49.81]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g12sm3577663nfb.28.2008.07.22.10.06.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:06:05 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by bzg.ath.cx (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 67707157568; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:06:02 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Juanma Barranquero's message of "Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:44:40 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110009 (No Gnus v0.9) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:55817 Archived-At: "Juanma Barranquero" writes: > On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 14:34, Miles Bader wrote: > >> It's not that "keybinding" is somehow extra good, it's that "shortcut" >> is unusually bad. > > Agreed. I don't like Xah Lee's proposals. But I think that he's right > that Emacs' use of outdated terminology sometimes hampers adoption by > new users. Maybe, but we need more _facts_ about this. We know what would be the cost of any terminology change (even the heat of this discussion is a good indicator :) but we are not sure about the benefit. I have a feeling this is just a bad bargain... -- Bastien