From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Teemu Likonen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: page-at-a-time output for M-x shell Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:21:27 +0300 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: <874oth3se0.fsf@iki.fi> References: <30a09a22-cd05-44b6-9b82-8a7e6c1796d5@x3g2000yqa.googlegroups.com> <7bf1883b-3184-487c-a5a4-675f3e117342@l2g2000vba.googlegroups.com> <85269090-af0d-43fa-bd49-da265cbac558@p23g2000vbl.googlegroups.com> <87fxd1iy86.fsf@iki.fi> <6a088d78-bfa1-46aa-bf87-6efe4d875739@n30g2000vba.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1247474620 18894 80.91.229.12 (13 Jul 2009 08:43:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:43:40 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 13 10:43:33 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MQH8G-00056V-S5 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:43:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46432 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MQH8G-00054y-9k for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 04:43:32 -0400 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!news.glorb.com!news2.glorb.com!feeder.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 19 Original-X-Trace: news.eternal-september.org U2FsdGVkX19RophC6rXLo6ltUyJfJAtiCkqFLlAhyghRDyYxa5bYZruNabKzU+2VZ+uo4uh/UXWeCMAvOQk8Du3Wi8mVZKybMRhM/ogHpLCvqT5zup6FyK4/JM8EpcvtHWl9zUkJbpAMqa4hWFu+pOwcB8DgQ4lj Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@eternal-september.org Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:26:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1//u7iib6HnU95/deARX/qSX+J/dJZAdasmhy3a0+itXw== Cancel-Lock: sha1:OGYG3mGLF2nzoGhd7q+z7YR2YM4= sha1:Mf7GUU/TMcGrKZflCrTXf4o0dJU= User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (gnu/linux) Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:170810 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:66010 Archived-At: On 2009-07-13 01:07 (-0700), Francis Moreau wrote: > On Jul 12, 7:54 pm, Teemu Likonen wrote: >> Please understand that "less" needs a _terminal_. Emacs's shell-mode >> is not a terminal so "less" doesn't work. If the programs you use >> needs terminal features then you must use a terminal, such as "M-x >> term". > > I did understand that ! > > If you read my post carefully, I'm asking why 'page-at-a-time' feature > (available in M-x term) is not implemented in M-x shell where it would > seem to be more needed. OK, then it's probably me who fails to understand why do you keep talking about "M-x shell" when you need a terminal. This "page-at-a-time" feature comes with terminal emulation. There's no need to make "M-x shell" a real terminal because there already is one: "M-x term". Is there something wrong with "M-x term"?