From: Tim X <timx@nospam.dev.null>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: CUSTOMIZE: Re: how to turn on showing end of file?
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:08:18 +1100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <874oq3wz31.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: hau73l$lui$1@reader1.panix.com
dkcombs@panix.com (David Combs) writes:
> In article <mailman.6691.1252971966.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>,
> <jidanni@jidanni.org> wrote:
>>PD> I'd simply use the customise interface! Writing Elisp code...
>>Sorry, for me I hate the customise interface, and can only deal with
>>(setq ...) stuff.
>>
>>
>
> I myself have never been able to profitably use the
> customize interface.
>
> MY problem is that, as with many menu-driven gui-interfaces (eg
> main --> syntax --> foo-words --> regexp-search-for-special-word--FOO ),
>
> is that I have no idea how to find anything, no idea of where to
> even look for something.
>
> What would be *really* nice would be a command that, starting
> at whatever customize-node you're corrently at, would draw (indented text)
> the entire "subtree" of it, all the way down to the leaf items.
>
> AND really nice if also could output a .pdf-file of it -- and
> if it turned out that same leaf item occurred under several
> subtrees, so the tree became a directed graph, then via
> some nifty-clever graph-drawing algorithm (such as at
> Brown univ's site devoted to them), something we
> could browse over via mouse, zoom, etc, even print out,
> scotch-tape pages together, and hang on wall.
>
> Plus the probably impossible: when new items added, some
> kind of (graphic?) diff?
>
> Otherwise, for me it's *info* and M-x Occur on the index,
> that kind of thing.
>
>
> PLEASE -- SOMEONE make customize easier to find things in!
>
> Thanks!
>
> David
>
>
>
A couple of things that may make customize easier for you
1. M-x customize-group. All customizations are part of a group. These
groups are in a hierarchy with the group 'emacs' at the top. Using this
command, you can jump into just a specific group. For example, if you
wanted to customize things relating to ecb, you would enter ecb at the
prompt for M-x customize-group. You also have completion available, so
you can see what groups exist.
2. Generally speaking, if you do a 'describe' on a variable, if that
variable has a 'customize' interface, it will have a line in the output
saying sometihghin like
"This variable can be customized'
where customized is underlined and is a hyperlink. Clicking on it will
bring up the customize buffer for that variable.
3. You also have a lot of other customize functions that will provide
you with lots of other ways to work with customize, such as
M-x customize-variable, which gives the customize interface for a
specific variable
M-x customize-apropos which does a apropos just for customize
variable
M-x customize-face to customize a specific face. By default, it will
do the face under point.
m-x customize-option
and then there are a heap for selecting variables that have been set
through customize, ones that have not been set etc.
While it took me a long time to switch to using customize, now that I
have, its really useful - especially the cusotmize-group command. I've
also found that in some cases, setting the value through customize gives
much better/more reliable results than doing it via elisp in my .emacs
file. Not sure why there is a difference, but in some cases, there
certainly is.
Tim
--
tcross (at) rapttech dot com dot au
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-10-13 7:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-09-14 20:19 how to turn on showing end of file? jidanni
2009-09-14 21:03 ` Peter Dyballa
2009-09-14 21:10 ` jidanni
2009-09-14 21:17 ` Andreas Politz
2009-09-14 21:22 ` jidanni
2009-09-14 21:25 ` jidanni
2009-09-14 21:30 ` jidanni
2009-09-14 21:41 ` jidanni
2009-09-14 23:37 ` Peter Dyballa
2009-09-14 23:45 ` jidanni
[not found] ` <mailman.6691.1252971966.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-10-12 3:17 ` CUSTOMIZE: " David Combs
2009-10-13 7:08 ` Tim X [this message]
2009-11-12 2:47 ` David Combs
2009-09-15 3:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <mailman.6697.1252984271.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-09-15 7:54 ` Sébastien Vauban
2009-09-16 5:15 ` Kevin Rodgers
[not found] ` <mailman.6770.1253080347.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-09-16 14:18 ` Sébastien Vauban
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