From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Feeling lost without tabs Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 00:54:53 +0200 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <874myab9vm.fsf@debian.uxu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1405983345 27590 80.91.229.3 (21 Jul 2014 22:55:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 22:55:45 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 22 00:55:38 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1X9MUb-0002ib-MA for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 00:55:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36714 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X9MUb-0007b7-EH for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 18:55:37 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.kjsl.com!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.fsmpi.rwth-aachen.de!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 41 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: SIvZRMPqRkkTHAHL6NkRuw.user.speranza.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:tOBU6GBAlrvoczl6O3HWl+dyn1o= Mail-Copies-To: never Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:206611 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:98883 Archived-At: Dan Espen writes: > I can find F9, (in fact all the function keys) > without looking. Since they're in groups of 4 it's > pretty easy. > > Somehow, I don't mind moving my hands around even > though I touch type Yeah? :) Then I have the coolest suggestion for you - why don't you have six keyboard - all in different colors and with no marks on them - at to vertical levels - on front, and one on each side? While I love shortcuts, actually, my dream would be to never use them but to have a complete 1-1 physical/hardware-functional/software interface. Can you imagine how cool it would be to never, ever stumble on a shortcut? I can actually get that for all the modes that don't require typing - w3m, Gnus (except for the message mode, of course), the buffer menu just mentioned, and so on. But whenever there is typing there must be shortcuts as there are so few keys left, and, typing - editing, point movements - this requires so many shortcuts. How do fighter pilots do it? Then it must be super-fast, and no "fumbling" can ever be allowed? I remember a flight simulator for the Mac, F/A-18 Hornet. It took up almost the entire keyboard. It was considered very realistic (at the time) but I take it reality is even more complex. Remember that fighter pilots also cannot be allowed to "look down", just a us! Anyone knows how they do it? They say programmers often take to flying when they get rich... (E.g., Woz, speaking of the accursed Apple world.) -- underground experts united