From: Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi>
To: Philipp Haselwarter <philipp@haselwarter.org>
Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Emacs users a dying breed?
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 15:05:47 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87395mxmg4.fsf@mithlond.arda> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87bokaw9dh.fsf@nzebook.haselwarter.org> (Philipp Haselwarter's message of "Sat, 23 Jun 2012 13:33:30 +0200")
Philipp Haselwarter [2012-06-23 13:33:30 +0200] wrote:
> I very much disagree, one of the things emacs is most frequently
> accused of is bloat. Overhauling some of the defaults might be worth
> discussing, but adding even more code to the core distribution seems
> to be the wrong approach. IMO Emacs should focus on providing the core
> - an editing engine and a lisp interpreter - and let the user decide
> which plugins he wants to run.
The Emacs distribution (.tar.gz) contains all bells and whistles but not
everything is loaded into memory. What is loaded by default is pretty
much only the Emacs Lisp interpreter and the editing core and autoload
definitions for other features.
And Emacs is a very light-weight program by today's standards. I think
it was bloated in the 80's.
From the point of view of code maintenance it might be good idea to have
more code on a (semi-)official package repository. If I maintained an
official Emacs package I'd prefer using my own version control system
etc. and just upload releases to official package archive.
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2012-06-18 3:22 ` Emacs users a dying breed? Pascal J. Bourguignon
2012-06-18 9:32 ` djc
2012-06-18 10:25 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2012-06-18 17:09 ` Ken Goldman
2012-06-21 15:27 ` rusi
2012-06-22 6:19 ` Tom
2012-06-22 8:45 ` Jeremiah Dodds
2012-06-22 9:40 ` Tom
2012-06-22 11:07 ` Bastien
2012-06-22 11:16 ` Andreas Röhler
2012-06-24 23:19 ` James Freer
2012-06-25 7:23 ` give emacs --daemon / emacsclient a try (was: Re: Emacs users a dying breed?) Gregor Zattler
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2012-06-25 2:58 ` Emacs for writers (was " rusi
2012-06-25 9:38 ` James Freer
2012-06-26 21:47 ` James Freer
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2012-06-27 3:41 ` rusi
2012-06-22 13:13 ` Emacs users a dying breed? Tom
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2012-06-22 14:12 ` Jay Belanger
2012-06-22 15:02 ` Tom
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2012-06-22 18:25 ` John Bokma
2012-06-22 11:17 ` Jeremiah Dodds
2012-06-22 12:03 ` Andreas Röhler
2012-06-22 12:21 ` Richard Riley
2012-06-22 13:04 ` Jonathan Groll
2012-06-23 11:33 ` Philipp Haselwarter
2012-06-23 12:05 ` Teemu Likonen [this message]
2012-06-23 12:35 ` Philipp Haselwarter
2012-06-23 12:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-06-23 13:53 ` S Boucher
2012-06-23 12:37 ` suvayu ali
2012-06-25 19:00 ` Ken Goldman
2012-06-23 14:02 ` S Boucher
2012-06-22 12:46 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2012-06-22 13:27 ` Andreas Röhler
2012-06-22 13:45 ` Doug Lewan
2012-06-22 13:09 ` Tom
2012-07-02 11:36 ` Mihamina Rakotomandimby
2012-06-22 15:08 ` Issues with emacs (was Emacs users a dying breed?) rusi
2012-06-22 15:26 ` Issues with emacs Pascal J. Bourguignon
2012-06-23 2:28 ` rusi
2012-06-23 9:47 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2012-06-22 16:41 ` Issues with emacs (was Emacs users a dying breed?) Drew Adams
2012-06-22 18:01 ` Bastien
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2012-06-23 23:49 ` Dan Espen
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