From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: problem with https and w3-fetch ... sometimes Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 23:48:02 +0200 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <8738d2snot.fsf@debian.uxu> References: <877g2g6r1y.fsf@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1407793835 13005 80.91.229.3 (11 Aug 2014 21:50:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 21:50:35 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 11 23:50:28 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XGxTv-0000SX-6O for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 23:50:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38075 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XGxTu-0001DZ-P7 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 17:50:18 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!news.stack.nl!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 52 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: SIvZRMPqRkkTHAHL6NkRuw.user.speranza.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:Lx8F8lWU5d0502QzgAdD7VAGgWc= Mail-Copies-To: never Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:206890 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:99166 Archived-At: (I'm sending this to the original posters mail as well, and I did so with my previous reply as well. Doesn't that show up? It is in the To: header, perhaps you looked in the Cc: header?) Bob Proulx writes: > Because the original poster mentions emacspeak I > presume that is the reason for using W3. Oh, I didn't even react to that, which I should have, because I even experimented with emacspeak a while back and wrote about it on this very list. This is what I wrote then - note that this was from my situation, which (at that time) was very bad compared to a fully healthy person, but still of course cannot be compared to a severely impaired or blind person. The reason I didn't like plain emacspeak was that it was too verbose, so I thought I'd setup functions to have it read certain long paragraphs for me - selectively, not everything and always. Oh, and let me say I am very, very confident in Emacs being the right tool for lots of people with special situations, because of Emacs configurability and the ease with which new modules can be put to work. In my case, I was able to do that myself, but I'm a programmer... You know the other day when I said that programmers shouldn't invent "new" programming languages and so on, they should put their talents to help humanity? This sounds pompous to be sure but actually it is very down-to-earth, and here is a fine example (though I don't know any details). This was a long excursion, this is what I wrote: ... it [emacspeak] was based on espeak, which is available in the Debian repos as a stand-alone-tool, and so I wrote es () { espeak -s 130 -k 20 -v en -f $1 -w `basename $1 .txt`.wav } to create sound files from text, and it should be a small task to setup defuns to interact with it. ... I don't know if it can replace reading. It will certainly not be as enjoyable. But what do you do? All tricks to compensate for the loss of information intake should be explored. -- underground experts united