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[78.207.202.134]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 89sm34572831wre.51.2020.12.14.09.08.39 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 14 Dec 2020 09:08:39 -0800 (PST) Mail-Copies-To: never Gmane-Reply-To-List: yes In-Reply-To: <87tusosek7.fsf@zoho.eu> (Emanuel Berg via Users list for the's message of "Mon, 14 Dec 2020 14:27:36 +0100") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::430; envelope-from=rpluim@gmail.com; helo=mail-wr1-x430.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:126376 Archived-At: Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor writes: > Gregory Heytings via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor wrote: > >> Yes, it's the mailing list, because the domain name Emanuel >> uses (zoho.eu) has a strict DMARC policy: >> >> $ dig +short -t txt _dmarc.zoho.eu >> "v=3DDMARC1; p=3Dreject; sp=3Dreject; fo=3D0; >> rua=3Dmailto:dmarc.reports.eu@zoho.eu; >> ruf=3Dmailto:dmarc.reports.eu@zoho.eu" > > Ah, right, that whole story with zoho! That is also why > I have/get the via line in the From header. Feels like > AGES ago! > > There was also some big politics to it. Like Gmail trying to > bully people not using Gmail or something? Not really. It=CA=BCs the various mail providers attempting to stop spam masquerading as coming from them, which then unfortunately prevents mailing lists from sending on your email with the original From, since they're not your email provider. Gmail is fairly liberal, hence why my messages don=CA=BCt get munged. Robert Robert