From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Lack of integration in Emacs - it was Re: How to rename files to numbers in Eshell? Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2021 10:16:16 +0200 Message-ID: <8735pifrqn.fsf@zoho.eu> References: <87r1d6o9eb.fsf@inka.de> <875yuii4nk.fsf@inka.de> <87h7e2krgb.fsf@zoho.eu> <8735plk3m0.fsf@zoho.eu> <875yugh1ja.fsf@zoho.eu> Reply-To: Emanuel Berg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36781"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:zlUHZOE7uVVaDZBi1Fam2XXJkyY= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 03 10:16:50 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mWwfx-0009OW-Uo for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 03 Oct 2021 10:16:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40556 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWwfw-00049y-SF for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 03 Oct 2021 04:16:48 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39774) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWwfd-00049k-8L for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Oct 2021 04:16:29 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:60152) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWwfb-0006nY-Oc for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Oct 2021 04:16:29 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mWwfZ-0008tO-Tw for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Oct 2021 10:16:25 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -15 X-Spam_score: -1.6 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:133515 Archived-At: Jean Louis wrote: > Similarly, Emacs offers to write all kinds of documents, not > as visual maybe, but one can do so much. It is integrated > with `make' system, with Markdown, with all kinds of > programming languages, compiling, building, LaTex > conversions, all kinds of modes, Dired and remote Tramp > connections, in general Emacs is integrated very well. But also Gnus, ERC, you name it. The level of integration and the uniform configuration/extension method (Elisp) is why I started to use it. Also it allows you to be a programmer every day without having to have a huge project, which is nice. Huge projects are also nice but more difficult and even if you succeed how often will you, or anyone else, use them? But what you do with Elisp you use every day and some of it is used around the world, even. So it is, or can be if you are lucky, Caramelldansen all over :) > Dired is great. Though there is no automatic integration > with the system. Imagine directories in Dired, and you have > 5 other different file managers. You mean integrate other pieces of software with Emacs? I think "the Emacs school of integration" is rather to identify good ideas and implement them _in_ Emacs, not between Emacs and that other piece of software ... > Writing letters is related to people, but where is central > people management? It does not exist. It does, use 'alias' in ~/.mailrc ... > Right. Gnus. We are all disparate. Integration nowhere. Gnus is part of Emacs so that is 100% integrated if you will. If you intent to use Emacs as an interface to non-Emacs software that level of integration seems indeed like a lot of work I don't envy you ... -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal