From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Heerdegen via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Advantage using mapc over dolist Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2024 05:56:43 +0100 Message-ID: <8734j4qc50.fsf@web.de> References: <87zflevbwm.fsf@neko.mail-host-address-is-not-set> <87h67ku813.fsf@neko.mail-host-address-is-not-set> Reply-To: Michael Heerdegen Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="25545"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:CEKkbOGo9kOfmpVojOPJ99WXc7A= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 04 05:56:29 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tIhR7-0006WN-IF for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2024 05:56:29 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tIhQb-0007Mx-UY; Tue, 03 Dec 2024 23:55:58 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tIhQT-0007MD-0y for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2024 23:55:49 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tIhQQ-0007dS-IM for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2024 23:55:48 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tIhQO-0005oO-7P for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2024 05:55:44 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:148585 Archived-At: Tomas Hlavaty writes: > I respect your preference and understand that you as pcase author would > prefer it everywhere. But whoever renamed case and ecase did not > respect other peoples preferences and people are now forced to use that > pcase monstrosity even in very simple cases. Come on, nobody is forcing you to anything. I know it is fashionable to be pissed nowadays, but let's not exaggerate. BTW, talking about respect while calling something others prefer a "monstrosity" doesn't look like a consistent perspective to me. Let's compare: In a fresh emacs -Q (featurep 'cl-lib) -> nil as well as (featurep 'pcase) -> nil `pcase' isn't privileged at all. So load what you want and use what you want like known from any modularized language and good it is. Should Emacs load everything it can at startup just so that nobody will barf that her/his favorite toy is of course available without a simple `require' call? I also never understood why people prefer to have extremely short names as an optimum, and the hell breaks lose if they have to use three more letters. Just stop being annoyed, and everything is good. Michael.