From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: "more", "ls -l", and column 80 in shell Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 06:44:51 +0900 Message-ID: <871wtcdi5o.fsf@catnip.gol.com> References: <1150411474.595005.130180@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> <1150468947.138065.135840@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <8764ip4lm7.fsf@tiger.rapttech.com.au> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1151271927 1920 80.91.229.2 (25 Jun 2006 21:45:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 21:45:27 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 25 23:45:25 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FucPv-0001dt-Km for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 23:45:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FucPv-0005VS-1c for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 17:45:19 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FucPe-0005Ri-7H for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 17:45:02 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FucPa-0005LP-Qy for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 17:45:01 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FucPa-0005LE-OB for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 17:44:58 -0400 Original-Received: from [203.216.5.72] (helo=smtp02.dentaku.gol.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FucbJ-0005S8-5F; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 17:57:05 -0400 Original-Received: from 203-216-98-193.dsl.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.98.193] helo=catnip.gol.com) by smtp02.dentaku.gol.com with esmtpa (Dentaku) id 1FucPW-0006Dc-Td; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 06:44:55 +0900 Original-Received: by catnip.gol.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E19B62F66; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 06:44:52 +0900 (JST) Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: (Peter Dyballa's message of "Sun, 25 Jun 2006 17:30:19 +0200") Original-Lines: 24 X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:35657 Archived-At: Peter Dyballa writes: > I had to prevent the colourising feature, now I actually have to turn > it on actively! GNU's ls is not that careful -- and it cannot display > UTF-8 characters! Huh? Neither of these things seem to be true.... ls doesn't emit codes for "color" unless you use the --color option. ls obviously doesn't "display" anything; it does however, pass-through utf8 characters just fine for your terminal (or Emacs) to display (I just tested it by creating a file with a utf8 name -- it displayed correctly in Emacs dired, M-x shell, and gnome-terminal). [This is "ls (GNU coreutils) 5.96" ... Apple has a bit of a reputation for using long out-of-date versions of things like that, so who knows what they're including in osx...] -miles -- "An atheist doesn't have to be someone who thinks he has a proof that there can't be a god. He only has to be someone who believes that the evidence on the God question is at a similar level to the evidence on the werewolf question." [John McCarthy]