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From: "Óscar Fuentes" <ofv@wanadoo.es>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Highway Musophobia Revisited  [was: Speeding up Emacs load time]
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 18:21:19 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <871u6u4j28.fsf@wanadoo.es> (raw)
In-Reply-To: ca140189-c265-4a37-9393-74144a51ff09@default

Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:

>> I think the mouse is a killer. It is not productive, it is not
>> ergonomic.
>
> Any pointer device, and a mouse is one (among other things it can
> be), has this feature: you look at something, anywhere, you point
> to it to do something with it or to it.  End of story.

I beg to differ. A counterexample is ace-jump-mode. You look at the word
you wish to jump, press the hotkey (Space in my case, with evil-mode),
press the first letter of that word, which is replaced by some other
letter, you press that letter and the cursor jumps. The whole process is
faster than moving the hand from the keyboard to the mouse, and much
faster than moving the mouse pointer to that position on the screen and
clicking.

> Nothing beats that eye-hand direct-manipulation thing for what it
> offers.  Neither text completion/search nor a command/key to go
> directly to the thing by name, number, description, whatever.  Nada.

ace-jump consists on eye-hand manipulation using a keyboard, so maybe we
are in agreement after all :-)




  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-07-19 16:21 UTC|newest]

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     [not found] ` <CAHXt_SUL6a0q0q5nbJ3aw301C2--85e_Q3vVvPA7yxMvPbJ5mQ@mail.gmail.com>
2013-06-25 23:06   ` Speeding up Emacs load time Andrew Pennebaker
2013-06-26  2:02     ` Hongxu Chen
2013-06-26  7:30       ` Didier Verna
2013-06-26 17:04     ` J. David Boyd
2013-06-26 17:15       ` Mihamina Rakotomandimby
2013-07-15  1:02       ` Ken Goldman
2013-07-15  1:33         ` Andrew Pennebaker
2013-07-15  6:20           ` Glyn Millington
2013-07-15  8:15             ` Rasmus
2013-07-15  8:05           ` Peter Dyballa
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2013-07-24 20:50             ` Sebastien Vauban
2013-07-24 21:22               ` J. David Boyd
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2013-07-25  7:25                 ` Sebastien Vauban
2013-07-25 14:20               ` J. David Boyd
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2013-07-25 19:24                 ` Sebastien Vauban
     [not found]         ` <mailman.1061.1373851999.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-15 14:06           ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-15 14:45             ` Peter Dyballa
2013-07-15 15:46             ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-07-15 16:08               ` J. David Boyd
     [not found]             ` <mailman.1105.1373903184.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-15 17:00               ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-15 18:29                 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2013-07-15 19:49                   ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-16  2:38                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-07-20 22:08                       ` Ken Goldman
     [not found]                     ` <mailman.1142.1373942379.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-16  4:13                       ` Rustom Mody
2013-07-16  9:42                         ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-16 13:37                           ` Rustom Mody
2013-07-16 13:39                           ` Rustom Mody
2013-07-16 20:13                             ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-16 21:02                             ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-17  0:54                               ` Juanma Barranquero
     [not found]                               ` <mailman.1203.1374024479.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-17  1:41                                 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-17  2:05                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
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2013-07-17  2:24                                     ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-17  2:42                                       ` Juanma Barranquero
     [not found]                                       ` <mailman.1206.1374028983.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-17  8:30                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-17  9:31                                           ` Juanma Barranquero
     [not found]                                           ` <mailman.1232.1374053532.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-19 10:18                                             ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-19 14:51                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
     [not found]                                               ` <mailman.1394.1374245509.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-19 16:02                                                 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-20  0:03                                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
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2013-07-20  4:27                                                     ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-20  4:35                                                       ` Jambunathan K
2013-08-28 23:08                                                     ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-16 17:54                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-07-16 10:07                       ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-16 17:57                         ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                         ` <mailman.1176.1373997462.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-16 19:58                           ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-16 20:38                             ` Peter Dyballa
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2013-07-16 21:11                               ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-17  8:36                                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2013-07-16 21:25                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-07-17  0:57                               ` Juanma Barranquero
     [not found]                             ` <mailman.1191.1374009934.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-16 21:37                               ` Dan Espen
2013-07-16 22:05                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
     [not found]                                 ` <mailman.1194.1374012333.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-17  1:02                                   ` Dan Espen
2013-07-17  4:29                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
     [not found]                                     ` <mailman.1213.1374035360.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-17  6:04                                       ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-17 12:24                                         ` Eye strain and ergonomics Dmitry Gutov
2013-07-18 20:01                                           ` James Freer
     [not found]                                         ` <mailman.1251.1374063906.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-19 10:30                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-17 12:36                                       ` Speeding up Emacs load time Dan Espen
2013-07-16 21:40                               ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-16 22:21                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
     [not found]                                 ` <mailman.1196.1374013270.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-16 22:55                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-16 23:48                                     ` Highway Musophobia Revisited [was: Speeding up Emacs load time] Drew Adams
2013-07-17  2:54                                       ` Jambunathan K
2013-07-19 16:21                                       ` Óscar Fuentes [this message]
2013-07-19 17:24                                         ` Drew Adams
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2013-07-20  4:20                                           ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                                       ` <mailman.1420.1374250899.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-20  4:23                                         ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                                     ` <mailman.1200.1374018533.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-17  0:04                                       ` Highway Musophobia Revisited Emanuel Berg
2013-07-17  3:09                                         ` Drew Adams
     [not found]                                         ` <mailman.1210.1374030559.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-17  6:14                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-17 10:42                                             ` Jambunathan K
2013-07-17 10:42                                             ` Jambunathan K
2013-07-17 16:20                                             ` Drew Adams
2013-07-17 12:27                                       ` Highway Musophobia Revisited [was: Speeding up Emacs load time] Rustom Mody
2013-07-19 10:35                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-16  5:12                 ` Speeding up Emacs load time Jambunathan K
     [not found]                 ` <mailman.1144.1373951470.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-16  9:51                   ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-16 12:26                     ` Jambunathan K
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2013-07-16 20:15                       ` Emanuel Berg
2013-06-28  3:20     ` Bob Proulx
2013-06-28  5:27       ` Hongxu Chen
2013-06-28 19:53         ` Bob Proulx
2013-06-28 12:48       ` J. David Boyd
2013-06-28 14:00         ` J. David Boyd
     [not found]         ` <mailman.2694.1372428065.22516.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-06-28 14:16           ` Dan Espen
2013-06-28 19:06             ` Bob Proulx
     [not found]     ` <mailman.2650.1372389614.22516.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-06-28 20:27       ` Emanuel Berg
2013-06-29  5:04         ` Eric Abrahamsen
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2013-06-29 17:44           ` Rustom Mody
2013-06-30  0:45             ` Eric Abrahamsen
2013-06-30 12:46             ` Emanuel Berg
2013-06-30 14:04               ` Rustom Mody
2013-06-30 18:06                 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-06-30 15:00               ` Eric Abrahamsen
     [not found]               ` <mailman.2850.1372604415.22516.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-06-30 16:07                 ` Rustom Mody
2013-06-30 18:17                   ` Emanuel Berg
2013-06-30 18:14                 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-01  5:29                   ` Eric Abrahamsen
2013-06-29 17:51         ` Bob Proulx
     [not found]         ` <mailman.2800.1372528321.22516.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-06-30 12:36           ` Emanuel Berg
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2013-06-26  1:16     ` Dan Espen
2013-06-27 16:14     ` Emanuel Berg
2013-06-27 17:50       ` J. David Boyd
2013-07-21  3:59     ` Rustom Mody
2013-07-21 14:18       ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-21 14:41         ` Rustom Mody

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