From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Carson Chittom Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Emacs very alive, active and improving? Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 08:04:54 -0500 Message-ID: <871u3tnuo9.fsf@abbey.wistly.net> References: <87pprkbodk.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> <5d0ea74d-527c-4c19-a9d6-596bec4a4c6b@googlegroups.com> <878uy2b59p.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> <9c485a2d-1e2a-4c38-b04a-db69db9b5bc2@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1381425775 18156 80.91.229.3 (10 Oct 2013 17:22:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 17:22:55 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 10 19:22:56 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VUJwu-00057k-FC for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 19:22:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49500 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VUJwt-0004Vy-W9 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 13:22:56 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37596) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VUJwW-00040z-2F for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 13:22:39 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VUJwO-0004mq-Og for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 13:22:32 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:42570) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VUJwO-0004mb-J8 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 13:22:24 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VUJwM-0004hF-4k for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 19:22:22 +0200 Original-Received: from adsl-108-131-100-114.jan.bellsouth.net ([108.131.100.114]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 19:22:22 +0200 Original-Received: from carson by adsl-108-131-100-114.jan.bellsouth.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 19:22:22 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 20 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-108-131-100-114.jan.bellsouth.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2 (berkeley-unix) Cancel-Lock: sha1:kLcJGIw7b9JFIy5MqN0lJ7tbDqI= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:93924 Archived-At: Rustom Mody writes: > On Thursday, October 10, 2013 9:57:48 AM UTC+5:30, Teemu Likonen wrote: >> That's hard to measure. One way for estimating popularity is Debian's >> automatic popularity contest. >> >> http://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php?packages=emacsen-common%2Cvim-common&show_vote=on&want_legend=on&from_date=&to_date=&hlght_date=&date_fmt=%25Y-%25m&beenhere=1 > > Thanks for that picture. > It confirms my personal hunchy feel that 20 years ago emacs-vi were > kind of neck to neck; whereas today emacs is increasingly in the > category: "Whazzat??" for young programmers. It's been a while (several years) since I've used Debian, but as I recall, the vim-common package is installed by default; whereas you have to explicitly install Emacs. I'm not saying your "hunchy feel" is wrong (I have no idea about that), just that you can't get to your conclusion from the graph alone.