From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: In defense of Customize [was: Trying to right-align my window on startup] Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 10:57:11 +0000 Message-ID: <871tzrukc8.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> References: <3cec217d-8adb-4e6c-b239-eff0c8b520c9@googlegroups.com> <6hrwqhkjfv6.fsf@sap.com> <87zjmgosx7.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1390993053 11022 80.91.229.3 (29 Jan 2014 10:57:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 10:57:33 +0000 (UTC) To: Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 29 11:57:37 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W8Spt-0001DB-M0 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 29 Jan 2014 11:57:37 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41454 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W8Spt-0004pQ-6n for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 29 Jan 2014 05:57:37 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42928) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W8Spd-0004pK-HY for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jan 2014 05:57:26 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W8SpY-0001PT-Q0 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jan 2014 05:57:21 -0500 Original-Received: from cheviot22.ncl.ac.uk ([128.240.234.22]:48229) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W8SpY-0001PF-H9 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jan 2014 05:57:16 -0500 Original-Received: from smtpauth-vm.ncl.ac.uk ([10.8.233.129]) by cheviot22.ncl.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1W8SpT-0001fq-Fa for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jan 2014 10:57:11 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost (jangai.ncl.ac.uk [10.66.67.223]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth-vm.ncl.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s0TAvBj5028744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2014 10:57:11 GMT In-Reply-To: <87zjmgosx7.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> (Emanuel Berg's message of "Tue, 28 Jan 2014 19:35:39 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 128.240.234.22 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:95749 Archived-At: Emanuel Berg writes: >> 3. Re-using customization (parts) of other Emacs users >> (or own on other machine) > > That will always be frustrating so I think the solution > to that problem is: don't do it. To have one computer > at work, one at home, and one gadget in between, and to > run Emacs on all, and expect everything to be the same > - why do that *at all*? Why not have the same computer > at work, as at home? Why have several computers at all? > Why not have *one* computer, which behaves the way you > want it to, and when you are not there, you do > different things? If you *must* use different computers > all over, and you have accepted that, why not accept > that they *are* different, and thus the UX as well? Just because something works for you, does not mean that it would work for everyone. You probably have different working practices, different work, are a different age, and have a different mind and body from me. Computers are personal (like opinions). I have about 5 computers, for different circumstances. I have: a desktop at work, with big screens, on a sit to stand desk that I have for a bad back an old laptop at work, that I use for writing notes at meetings a cheap 14in laptop at home that I use most of the time there a desktop at home that has largely been outdated, but which I will probably put on some shelves so I have a stand up space at home also. a netbook which I use when travelling because it fits between my stomach and the plane/train seat in front. I use unison and sync my file space. Ironically, customize works very well in this environment. I use hand-written, sync'd lisp for things on all machines; I do not sync my .emacs (which just contains customize code and loads my hand-written stuff). So I use customize for things I want different on different machines. If some one say they have a problem, telling them to realise that they don't have that problem at all is often not helpful. Phil