From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: emacs stackexchange beta site Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 00:35:01 +0200 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <871tq6iaui.fsf@debian.uxu> References: <87bnqdyiv0.fsf@treetowl.lan> <87ppdr5zpe.fsf@debian.uxu> <87lhof5z4x.fsf@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1413585323 18209 80.91.229.3 (17 Oct 2014 22:35:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 22:35:23 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 18 00:35:18 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XfG7B-00052g-RG for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 00:35:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34857 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XfG7B-0001Ff-EU for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 18:35:17 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!194.109.133.81.MISMATCH!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!news.stack.nl!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 85 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: feB02bRejf23rfBm51Mt7Q.user.speranza.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:Ldy0XTAOgdHjxoSbfjDFXm7wyI4= Mail-Copies-To: never Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:208210 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:100486 Archived-At: Artur Malabarba writes: >> It is great that site materialized. > > It is. It's a chance to give specialized answers in > a way that's relatively permanent with respect to > googling. It's also an excuse for the lazy to post > very basic questions without going through the > trouble of even a single search, but you can't have > everything I suppose. :-) There was a lengthy discussion as to the permanent/Google/lazy aspects of it all, well, more opinions back-and-forth I should say. Probably it'll be interesting to you if you didn't already read it. >> Seriously, is there a link from that site to our >> support-line and/or feud-o-rena here? Both the >> listbot and the gnu.emacs.help newsgroup should be >> mentioned, I think! > > The community there will soon start deciding things > like what to put in the FAQ page. Things like the > mailing list and the wiki are sure to be there. Don't forget this is also a USENET (NNTP) newsgroup - gnu.emacs.help - which can be accessed in the full sweetness of things with Gnus (which I hope will be an often-visited tag on your site!). >> If they would communicate with us perhaps it would >> be simpler to make an interface (or partial >> interface to begin with), > > As in..? I can think of dozens of things. Links are the first step. But then... There has been so much material on this list/group. How do you reference particularly interesting posts? Indeed, how do you find them? How do we access your site in a way that isn't to far-fetched from what we are used to? For example, does it require JavaScript? Does it play well with Emacs-w3m and other in-Emacs browsing alternatives? Using the site from and with Emacs should be a objective from day one, don't you think? Thinking big (although it isn't big in terms of technology if the wish is there, at least not in terms of reading) - can it be integrated with the message-mode, with Gnus and RMAIL? For example, why don't you generate a mail once a week with all the new questions and post it here? There are just tons of things that are worth checking/trying out. (There was already a guy here who did a question-based interface to the SX sites - it was about parsing the HTML and showing the results in plain text - I remember many people were delighted and it seemed to work well but I didn't hear from him since.) What I hope for the future of computing is UI-agnostic: some guy likes USENET, some other guy likes SX, some guy likes CLI, some guy GUI, some the keyboard, some the mouse, and so on. Why fight about it? Just make the data independent from all that and then have everyone access it and interact with it any way and with any tool he or she desires. Here is an example right here: U+1F44D is the Unicode for "THUMBS UP" [1]. I'm on another kind of system than most people so I can't see it. But I can still insert it (`C-x 8 RET 1f44d RET') - I hope (do you see it?): 👍 You see. It is not that difficult :) Anyway, good luck! [1] http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1F44D/index.htm -- underground experts united