From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Robert Thorpe Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: [External] : Re: not good proposal: "C-z " reserved for users Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 04:23:53 +0000 Message-ID: <871rdi6js6.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4132"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: joostkremers@fastmail.fm, help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 15 05:24:53 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lBVRN-0000zJ-11 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 15 Feb 2021 05:24:53 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54736 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lBVRM-00074O-2w for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 14 Feb 2021 23:24:52 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47754) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lBVQz-00074F-Os for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Feb 2021 23:24:29 -0500 Original-Received: from outbound-smtp29.blacknight.com ([81.17.249.32]:41402) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lBVQy-0005fM-4W for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Feb 2021 23:24:29 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.blacknight.com (pemlinmail06.blacknight.ie [81.17.255.152]) by outbound-smtp29.blacknight.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 103A9BEB76 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 2021 04:24:26 +0000 (GMT) Original-Received: (qmail 2471 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2021 04:24:25 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO rt-inspiron-3480) (rt@robertthorpeconsulting.com@[51.37.90.145]) by 81.17.254.9 with ESMTPSA (AES256-SHA encrypted, authenticated); 15 Feb 2021 04:24:25 -0000 In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Sat, 13 Feb 2021 20:48:11 +0000) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=81.17.249.32; envelope-from=rt@robertthorpeconsulting.com; helo=outbound-smtp29.blacknight.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:128072 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: > I proposed one possible solution - a _moratorium_ > by Emacs from grabbing more keys by default. Look > up the word "moratorium", if you aren't familiar > with it. > > If you like, you can consider my proposal to be: > Let's at least STOP now from binding any more keys > by default, while we entertain discussion for other > possible solutions. And as long as no adequate > solution, preferably somewhat consensual, is found, > Emacs just shouldn't bind more keys. It can > repurpose keys that are already bound by default, > but it should stay away from binding new ones. > > And I explicitly allowed for _exceptions_, to be > decided by the maintainers - after some general > discussion. So IMO, this is not at all a radical > proposal. It's essentially "STOP THE BLEEDING!" > as a _first step_. In that case I agree with you completely about this subject. I sympathize with your problems. BR, Robert Thorpe