From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Use Emacs as the IDE for Wolfram Mathematica. Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2021 00:16:09 +0200 Message-ID: <871r9dz5g6.fsf@zoho.eu> References: <87a6om1022.fsf@zoho.eu> <871r9x25l8.fsf@zoho.eu> <4b3da35b486e41256b91cab5dde0d359@isnotmyreal.name> Reply-To: Emanuel Berg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="33038"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:q8SEGlZb9SeLfDcKC17eY6pyBq0= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 08 00:16:47 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lqNY7-0008Mh-8G for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 08 Jun 2021 00:16:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41498 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lqNY6-0007ac-9R for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2021 18:16:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56400) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lqNXi-0007aP-Or for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2021 18:16:24 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:44086) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lqNXh-00019m-5f for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2021 18:16:22 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lqNXf-0007oi-9b for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Jun 2021 00:16:19 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:130604 Archived-At: TRS-80 wrote: > Personally I think there is far too much attention / mind > share paid towards proprietary software. Maybe not on this > list, nor within the GNU Project itself (the last bastion), > but in general in F/LOSS (well especially in more "Open > Source"[0] circles). Why give them free advertising (in > addition to the millions $$ some of them have available to > them, and other resources)? I stopped playing computer games somewhere mid/late-90s, I think the last games I played were, in abc order, Fallout, Final Fantasy, StarCraft and Quake. I thought these games were pretty fun to play but even today Q years later they are part of my culture or education, even. For example, listen to this: We've got a problem. A big one. The controller chip for our water purification system given up the ghost. We can't make another one and the process is too complicated for a work-around system. [1] For me as with many other people who liked sports and computers as a kid there came a time when Debian, Emacs, LaTeX, and zsh was more fun than the mentioned game quadrupel but commercial culture has been a huge part of me - not just games, everything I'm into - bikes, tools, construction, climbing, NGE, Alita, The Incal, ice hockey, Casio, Ryobi, Hitachi, tree house activism - OK, not the last thing - but other than that - everything is just commercial, capitalist culture with the end purpose of making money. But I have realized it can be good, in general and good for me, AND be about money at the same time. Emacs is good, Emacs is good for me, and not about money. But there are other things than Emacs and I didn't see the FOSS community anywhere around offering me other games instead of the mentioned ones. Maybe GNU Tyccon? NO thanks, if I believed in silent planning I would be writing this right now, not planning, or should I shut up about that and insterad asses what I'm doing and what will happen in the future? [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q928WafAdAI&ucbcb=1 -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal