From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Albinus Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs 29 and Tramp and Remote Dired confusion Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2023 14:39:16 +0200 Message-ID: <871qhjdhfv.fsf@gmx.de> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24789"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" To: Bill Benedetto Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 07 14:40:02 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qHkkk-0006Ev-Mh for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2023 14:40:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qHkkF-0000CT-V3; Fri, 07 Jul 2023 08:39:32 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qHkkE-0000Af-C9 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2023 08:39:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.20]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qHkkB-0004G8-8B for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2023 08:39:30 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.de; s=s31663417; t=1688733557; x=1689338357; i=michael.albinus@gmx.de; bh=boOL7Xnq9CpN+wo//pKmwffTQFaiL3+yW8goh2XeJyw=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date; b=oMBRZ008fC+bzP1XAo/j/Rm5aNps9iTyUUFk2enlZwhiX9Lo+BvAPb/igUScBhTeJCXM9tH MHHth/YDge7vnUgcB85M3c75sfdDUbo9W3odBakc4bY1VJFc3gwSRSgloU5UR8hkH/H0/veWb 9Dw1OqONDhb8Zi/p3oAncKpxvoJ3PozuSvwvbn0gH7KqjFd55LHrolEmIu3LLiYvXXcnOMb0N HVKaP6+6Z2L/0QQ/kGfpRWQc2iTZTKIRINm9rizVTKLG8V+Zy+0DGOUXn+f+zlW8bJ4TowjYW P6C69j61zBMQoQrPwULu8ZoYpv422C9ZZjgQI0JH7kw22fqJWxrw== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Original-Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([185.89.39.22]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N63RQ-1ptoxZ1sfw-016MLl; Fri, 07 Jul 2023 14:39:17 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Bill Benedetto's message of "Fri, 7 Jul 2023 12:14:37 +0000") X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:PA3jkc9l0nC36LEeA6CWS3oe6VENDZNWbfgbmfUKGth9A5b+IKF ZPVFjdeMJ8/Yv9wynTxJbUyGtVvj8LSBa7srCqcthjCXqc6GvQ4U30seGvShXWhP+bMr0uW doccKAvHQvtQm5v55ORO8fb6YjZrrEl6rYAmRC4mGg3xoXtnruUl9TH/fkOJqpxhWrmSGKm bjLlx9EwipJbThXhuxaoQ== UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:nEX1JGaD2mQ=;9sGT79BkIb50cM476Ib5HSFrcVW 3rHDta8ukyTezEHfGcHMI6TsMmXzye2bBoZbaaiJSvTRxW3uj2xp4EGmX0W5tI/N9K9upAN9p bIXtSHFQelEAIGVX1cTBdi+Cttvhaf8OsQF+kHt719Q0RBx+NY0Pr97XZno5YJ0DUQx+qjDNh lD1Hkdokc7vrynEsdsvEF6YzI8e5S4ZsZyM89Ttd5u4E62Kpt5t6hJDeR0puZ0EHzxFckgtaR lgypVnbVashMuuoZpIiK5VzfTbLpAIiIBAdpD1u+Psq98GXlZ88D1W+1KR/hKzD6ALZhvVBo3 LuODIY6VLzsEFeEt6fFQsNNFn3gwbWAzLzlKdkBJ1qBN8BhJXJz+gbKfQdfSafR9OaJVA4f5c NOgv6t+zHRuUTkZnNdAG1B3wH7aP3O/N6ql0Z1vtfq7D2qOMGflGf1mzKF1yw9a+Y6hNQXo0b YcxW3EqqluJnsB/5GllTKUDRGtek28ghzAopuFSYYeYnaNF7XIQBddpnd/tmHzZErZ4XDbAEc xs7FZgqf5vkY8zeZqm+Lv6Jx3hAJdr2Vw041EbvKuKL++IcpTVZ5FtpAycoaWdXb/+ug/w+7y ar5j+iMJuXZ0R8iKqk0WelrSndhE5qi0CxAtiNnFnGdj/TKca7WlNTXvzR2w9m3J954U/VjpZ PsV6FR6pbqBx5+zv+uLjqljcO6nbjVyrHIWt0TU6lEvCH/MsUBt0xw9saG9Uxlj7bdfmF6mOK akG95Y/wgxWAA3BiivCCQSZ8CtLpD1naBw3ziTgrIhqYBHQglasLTwCjRRglNV5VzV0kenXM Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.17.20; envelope-from=michael.albinus@gmx.de; helo=mout.gmx.net X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:144149 Archived-At: Bill Benedetto writes: > Good day. Hi Bill, > I'm confused about what I'm seeing in Emacs 29. > > Heretofore, when I copied a file in a remote dired, it would keep the same timestamp. > AFAIK, that's always worked and always been the default. > > However, that is not the default in Emacs 29. > When I copy a file, it copies it with the current timestamp instead of the original. > > I'm an admin and do this stuff all day. > This is a deal breaker for me. > > I've nosed around and didn't see anything in the NEWS about a change like that. > And I've tried to figure out what variable I need to (re)set to get the old behavior back, but haven't found it yet. > > I'm using emacs 29.0.92 (but I saw the same result in the previous two pretests). > > Can someone shed some light on this for me? I cannot reproduce it here. Scenario, using a recent build of Emacs 29: # ~/src/emacs-29/src/emacs ~/ ;; There is a file ccc, which is from last year. Dired shows it like --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- -rw-rw-r--. 1 albinus albinus 173 Jun 22 2022 ccc --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- ;; I type "C", and give as remote target "/ssh:anotherhost:/tmp" ;; It is copied to the remote host, where it didn't exist before. ;; Then I type "C-x C-f /ssh:anotherhost:/tmp", and I see there --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- -rw-rw-r-- 1 albinus albinus 173 Jun 22 2022 ccc --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- Could you pls give me your recipe when it fails? > Thanks! > > - Bill Best regards, Michael.