From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bug Dout Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Issues with emacs Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 11:03:33 -0700 Organization: DSL Extreme Message-ID: <86wr2uosqy.fsf@mailinator.com> References: <87bokbb4zw.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1340733915 16800 80.91.229.3 (26 Jun 2012 18:05:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 18:05:15 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 26 20:05:14 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Sja8X-00088P-Gy for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 20:05:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47446 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Sja8X-0002zI-FA for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:05:13 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!news1.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!npeer02.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!post01.iad.highwinds-media.com!newsfe15.iad.POSTED!9d368a9c!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.93 (windows-nt) Cancel-Lock: sha1:gbYAgcODw/kAoH85YrGUK9EnYj4= Original-Lines: 18 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse2@dslextreme.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 18:03:32 UTC X-Received-Bytes: 1711 Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:193090 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:85485 Archived-At: ken writes: > 5. Make the elisp documentation and tutorials so easy and fun to learn > that tons of people actually want to write code. I think I'm tired of this shit. Everything in America has to be fun, and easy, or we spoiled Americans can't be bothered. Writing trivial and shitty code is easy. Writing quality code that works well for the end-user is hard and not fun. I work in a numerical modeling group of 20 engineers. We all have graduate degrees. 5 Americans, 15 foreign-born, the youngest American is late 40s. Americans under age 35 just won't work for a damn thing. -- In religion and politics, people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination. -- Mark Twain