From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: I want to contribute and chose right project for graduate thesis Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 01:27:38 +0200 Message-ID: <86poclqx3p.fsf@zoho.com> References: <86a83x93tl.fsf@zoho.com> <871sp9my5m.fsf@jane> <86wp717e67.fsf@zoho.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1501198107 6300 195.159.176.226 (27 Jul 2017 23:28:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 23:28:27 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 28 01:28:22 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dasCb-0001Oj-K1 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2017 01:28:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45106 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dasCh-00088k-FE for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2017 19:28:27 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36743) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dasCG-00088S-Aj for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2017 19:28:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dasCC-0004qO-UX for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2017 19:28:00 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=49440 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dasCC-0004pU-Nw for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2017 19:27:56 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dasC1-00084H-0K for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2017 01:27:45 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Lines: 52 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org Mail-Copies-To: never Cancel-Lock: sha1:gN2DQ0rVDdbz9b9Vqw+1mu233Js= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:113899 Archived-At: Ken Goldman wrote: > My 2 cents. > > Learning how to deal with huge egos and > understanding the culture of open source > projects is valuable - certainly not a waste > of time for a new engineer. Well, yeah. Actually it is not the huge egos that is the problem. What I menat was - some time one these lists and groups people have an attitude to newcomers that isn't good, either they are reluctant to give good answers, like they answer in very short sentences, *or* they do the opposite, write several pages with details which the newcomer won't understand much of, and then they start speaking among themselves and the newcomer obviously doesn't feel encouraged to proceed with the project. > I don't know whether it's thesis-worthy. Right. Like most other things it is better to learn that along the way. Many educations work like that way by the way. Like CS. They don't teach programming, at least not here they don't. It is just something you are expected to pick up while doing AI, databases, interfaces, and what have you... And it makes sense! Universities should be theory and practice that is oriented to the theory, not to the practice itself. Because practice is much easier, many, many people can do it and certainly anyone who has been thru "3" or "5 years" of all that theory and theory-practice. (I put the years within quotation marks because no one ever comples their education in time. Not because being lazy, mind you. If anyone would ever do that, people would ask, "hey, what is wrong with this dude?!") But when you are stuck in all that theory it sure is a lot of frustration :) "Why can't we just work on it?" :) -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573