From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Google Gmail mailing list bounces Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 10:51:35 +0200 Message-ID: <86pno8fd60.fsf@zoho.eu> References: <20190221170259478078146@bob.proulx.com> <20190523172148538275561@bob.proulx.com> <86ef4oivmo.fsf@zoho.eu> <20190523175139068895086@bob.proulx.com> <86d0k8h0re.fsf@zoho.eu> <20190524070902.GA11740@tuxteam.de> Reply-To: Emanuel Berg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="241553"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 24 11:02:58 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hU66L-0010dO-Ot for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 24 May 2019 11:02:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51272 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hU66K-0006PC-OR for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 24 May 2019 05:02:56 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:43146) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hU63K-0003f6-3y for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 May 2019 04:59:51 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hU5vd-0005ou-52 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 May 2019 04:51:56 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=57582 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hU5vc-0005ny-Uj for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 May 2019 04:51:53 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hU5vV-000ljZ-M2 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 May 2019 10:51:45 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Cancel-Lock: sha1:ZsOV89iobtReSMcdRU8ht0fZtWo= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120612 Archived-At: tomas wrote: > Because the second one has no "DNS authority > section" [1]. As a background: this DMARC > (and DKIM and SPF) stuff uses DNS as > a distributed database. > > Your computer is set up to ask your local > domain name server (192.168.10.1). This one > asks another server, and so on, until that > recursion hits the server which "knows" where > dmarc.zoho.eu is. > > But your local server isn't totally stupid > and keeps (caches) that answer, because it > knows you and expects you to ask again: then > it can answer right away. But because he > (she?)'s a truthful server, it will tell you: > "so-and-so told me" -- that's the authority > section (I don't quite remember whether dig > shows you the authority section for cached > answers or for fresh ones). > > Or something like that :-) If it works like that, why doesn't it keep at it until it gets the authority reply? Perhaps there is a setting for that... >> What does 122 B and 176 B mean? > > That would mean bytes, I think. The size of > the answer. Aha, great! >> Where can you see their mailing list policy? > > That should be the very first line of the DNS > reply: > >> v=DMARC1; p=reject; sp=reject; fo=0; >> rua=mailto:dmarc.reports.eu@zoho.eu; >> ruf=mailto:dmarc.reports.eu@zoho.eu Isn't that is the _query_? > That all said... I'd urge everyone to chose > a mail provider who cares about mail. The big > ones, the "free" offers and your ISP all want > to kill mail because there's no money in it. With ads, side- and extension services that aren't free of charge, the accumulation of user data, and so on, there is tons of money in mail. > Since they can't kill it directly, they > starve it. Spam (and the corresponding > anti-spam measures) are their allies in that. Tin foil hats on everyone :) > There are small mail providers who take > a very affordable amount (here in DE > typically 1EUR/month) and actually know what > they are doing For all their technical superiority, they sure don't charge much... -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 https://dataswamp.org/~incal