From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Martin Steffen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: package for Email Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2023 15:10:11 +0100 Organization: IFI UiO Norway Message-ID: <86mt6e4nuk.fsf@eduroam-193-157-225-240.wlan.uio.no> References: <87mt6fxoak.fsf@dataswamp.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="31476"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.1 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 19 15:10:58 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pIVd2-0007yA-WF for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 15:10:57 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pIVcd-0000mu-If; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 09:10:32 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pIVcY-0000jq-53 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 09:10:26 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-out02.uio.no ([2001:700:100:8210::71]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pIVcV-0008Sw-5X for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 09:10:25 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ifi.uio.no; s=key2103; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date:References :Subject:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=vfL6F6cM8DtQMF7g5WN/YVi40Nex7s7s+P3mw/eOy+s=; b=SO6uemHp1xfITmSfZ5bvDEnkF7 f0hD9ARiQRzEFtNoqe/reu9r+QxY3Erfj6FE97MAo1uSdu7YxIgIs8aRjjTQlsxO8IdIUy29pqJD5 n5u5sADi2sTLAaHAjog/8o3y37py+KrKx4T6WPRT6K/W0AGZHAw8MXx4DW6xD/ctBqY+5UGGQdQOt wknSmQEqA3O4vTviBS3A1aZ8Fe13rQtP6CXebaTli1i/z16uYXFef/SHMazn9PKUNvyPV9uhl/cAJ Jxk9gpdJkhsQMkztg5yIHPZ1kK+CA+2g5a/pc/hTnTL5Q/lrB3c+QLJE6gCSNHLwWqTWfmv3m0Qif uiLLTtDQ==; Original-Received: from mail-mx10.uio.no ([129.240.10.27]) by mail-out02.uio.no with esmtps (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_ECDSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1pIVcP-003597-1E for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 15:10:17 +0100 Original-Received: from eduroam-193-157-225-240.wlan.uio.no ([193.157.225.240] helo=eduroam-193-157-225-240.wlan.uio.no.shmi.ifi.uio.no) by mail-mx10.uio.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE-ECDSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) user msteffen (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1pIVcO-0005Y2-2p; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 15:10:17 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87mt6fxoak.fsf@dataswamp.org> (Emanuel Berg's message of "Thu, 19 Jan 2023 03:15:31 +0100") X-UiO-SPF-Received: Received-SPF: neutral (mail-mx10.uio.no: 193.157.225.240 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ifi.uio.no) client-ip=193.157.225.240; envelope-from=msteffen@ifi.uio.no; helo=eduroam-193-157-225-240.wlan.uio.no.shmi.ifi.uio.no; X-UiO-Spam-info: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5.0, required=5.0, autolearn=disabled, UIO_MAIL_IS_INTERNAL=-5) X-UiO-Scanned: 2DC84E1DAE53D96F22EC67A1C7E0AEBFFAEDA5DD X-UiOonly: 9B82BDF97F8FFA00963F8329950DE00672FBE528 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2001:700:100:8210::71; envelope-from=msteffen@ifi.uio.no; helo=mail-out02.uio.no X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.0 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:142424 Archived-At: >>>>> "Emanuel" == Emanuel Berg writes: Emanuel> Gottfried wrote: >> 1. Which Email package do you use? Can you tell your experience >> with your email package? Emanuel> Gnus ... me too. >> 2. Does it make sense for me as an emacs-newbie to change from >> using thunderbird to an emacs email package? Emanuel> Yes, if you feel Emacs is the software for you. I would agree >> 4. I prefer to habe folders because I like to have an >> overview. Mu4e doesn't have folders. Emanuel> Gnus has folders, they are called groups. >> 5. I want IMAP. Emanuel> Gnus has everything, it's the longest program ever written. >> 8. Should I start with Rmail? and later switch to GNU? Emanuel> No. I agree (but qualified). I used RMAIL when I started with emacs (long time ago, and I think I used other emacs email software), gnus is way more versatile. One thing that may speak against it is it can be complex. Actually, I started having troubles locally, after my organization did no longer supported IMAP properly (which as a consequence mean, all email clients/user programs work excellently as long as they are called outlook). It required more and more fiddling to get the email experience I want. And I guess it will get harder, since for some reason there will soon be mandatory 2factor authentfication for reading emails. but since gnus can be quite a monster, probably if one is a complete beginner to emacs _and_ at the same time wants to use email in emacs, gnus might be a challenge. Martin >> 9. Or is it useful to start with GNU because it has more options >> and I have to learn it anyhow? [...] Emanuel> Gnus has more options but you only learn the subset that Emanuel> you use. Some options you don't really learn, you learn Emanuel> them enough to put into a config file and then forget about Emanuel> them ... Emanuel> -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal