From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs user manual in Spanish Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2017 19:37:11 +0200 Message-ID: <86inj4f8s8.fsf@zoho.com> References: <20170702082424.GA3364@workstation> <86h8yuy7v1.fsf@zoho.com> <5ac97eb4-d897-4c35-b095-e76250398400@default> <7372AEAA-347B-4936-8047-A32BFB5DF48F@gmail.com> <86shiewjp9.fsf@zoho.com> <20170707162806.GC4499@protected.rcdrun.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1499451979 8668 195.159.176.226 (7 Jul 2017 18:26:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2017 18:26:19 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 07 20:26:11 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dTXxB-0001i2-FZ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2017 20:26:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58166 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dTXxG-0006By-N0 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2017 14:26:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53997) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dTXC8-00052X-W0 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2017 13:37:34 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dTXC5-00075r-2G for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2017 13:37:33 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=56735 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dTXC4-00074k-Re for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2017 13:37:28 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dTXBx-0004vr-3v for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2017 19:37:21 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Lines: 42 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org Mail-Copies-To: never Cancel-Lock: sha1:9o++KA2yvH+6cf3EAuQnerHczvA= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:113731 Archived-At: Jean Louis wrote: > There is nothing wrong in translating > function names to offer easier way of editing > to people who are maybe not familiar with the > English and GNU Emacs in general. By translating "function names", are we talking hanging a translated coat over the menus and buttons of the GUI Emacs or are we talking aliasing all the zillion commands of Elisp? The "coat" solution is something I saw way back in the accursed Java/Eclipse world when there were "resources" who mapped back and forth. I suppose I don't really mind if the program is intended for the masses. At some point the user will anyway realize that having a subset translated is just confusing and a limitation, and he/she will have the whole application in English. However Emacs is one of the most advanced and powerful software systems ever created. And you are saying you are teaching this system to students in Tanzania with no problem, only at the same time these people cannot understand the English of `find-file', `kill-emacs', and so on? And if they cannot understand that, and you won't have them since you walk around the problem by translating the commands, how do you ever expect them to take the next step and benefit from the whole system, all external components, and all documentation, all of which is only available in English? -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573