From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs user manual in Spanish Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2017 04:32:26 +0200 Message-ID: <86h8yuw8qt.fsf@zoho.com> References: <20170702082424.GA3364@workstation> <86h8yuy7v1.fsf@zoho.com> <5ac97eb4-d897-4c35-b095-e76250398400@default> <8637aexz6l.fsf@zoho.com> <86o9t2wjhe.fsf@zoho.com> <87shiebe96.fsf@wanadoo.es> <77DD6B65-5E66-4182-8433-F6528025C82C@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1499049196 31771 195.159.176.226 (3 Jul 2017 02:33:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 02:33:16 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 03 04:33:12 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dRrAl-00082L-0l for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 03 Jul 2017 04:33:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60035 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dRrAq-0003ea-Ff for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 02 Jul 2017 22:33:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51240) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dRrAN-0003eV-T1 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jul 2017 22:32:49 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dRrAK-0000CU-OE for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jul 2017 22:32:47 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=44309 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dRrAK-0000Bm-Hg for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jul 2017 22:32:44 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dRrA9-00066Q-5F for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jul 2017 04:32:33 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Lines: 66 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org Mail-Copies-To: never Cancel-Lock: sha1:R6G2XX/l5ibaWulPK7O+Sgo5SCI= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:113655 Archived-At: Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: > Technology is after all only a symbolic > representation of concepts not specific to > any native language. The symbolic representation, or "what things are called" as I usually put it, is a huge part of any activity. Programming, and all technology, has shown this. If every country should have its own system, if in Sweden an integer would be written a "heltal", and so on, this would cripple whole software system, people would have to relearn everything they every knew, all international standardization attempts would fail, and communication on mailing lists and Usenet groups as we know it would end. This nightmarish scenario will luckily never happen. It might be heartbreaking to some people that English attained the status as the completely dominating language in technology and international exchange. But it is a fact. And not a fluke. England was first with the industrial revolution and then the USA peaking its manufacturing empire in the 50s and 60s. None of computing would have been the same without the Anglophone world. It might also be some properties of the language itself, especially the ability to just stack nouns to add properties, which isn't around in every language. Actually, the French did much to promote their own systems and give them widespread use. Like the metric system which was adopted in Sweden in 1878. The French also have an industrial standard, SI, or the "Système international", which is ironic as they are the only ones using it. In Sweden, for example, we use the German industrial standard, or DIN. The reason I tell all this is to illustrate how there have always been competition between nations, languages, and systems. And at least in terms of computers, since several decades a very clear winner has emerged, namely English. To not acknowledge this, as a computer or tech person, is to do yourself a big injustice. Luckily, again, this process is impossible to stop. Young people all over the world use technology more than ever and a bi-product of this is their fluency in English. Very soon, no one will have to worry about translating the Emacs manual because no one will ask for anything but the real deal. Like I said, deal with it. -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573