From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Elisp really that slow? Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 01:30:20 +0200 Message-ID: <86h89vs3cj.fsf@zoho.eu> References: <20190514235412.kncazq45szlum2gr@Ergus> <46f308ff-5a70-8ccc-310b-48167088ff5a@yandex.ru> <87woirsvdb.fsf@telefonica.net> <87sgtfsswd.fsf@telefonica.net> <76f6370c-e8b7-bc59-634c-c48ea7af7f70@yandex.ru> <87lfz7sqb9.fsf@telefonica.net> <20190515204629.pw5la42bskizi3hs@Ergus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="11552"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu May 16 01:30:49 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hR3MG-0002sC-Dc for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 16 May 2019 01:30:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45733 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hR3MF-000719-8a for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 May 2019 19:30:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:37386) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hR3M0-00070x-Sx for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 May 2019 19:30:33 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hR3Lz-0004Xo-QQ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 May 2019 19:30:32 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=58058 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hR3Lz-0004RB-JN for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 May 2019 19:30:31 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hR3Lv-0002Vm-5U for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 16 May 2019 01:30:27 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Cancel-Lock: sha1:w5+LGoSJj5upNBcwEMz48a+9YOQ= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120432 Archived-At: Ergus wrote: > So... I am scared now to be sincere here... > but yes. That's better (and more logical) > than confusing and scare the users. Again this talk about scaring the users. Are computer people so darn afraid and fragile these days? Without boasting, let me boast that when I started Emacs the very first time, I wasn't the least scared, in fact I thought it was awesome, including the Lisp part, and I have used it ever since. > If everything is organized in advance it will > be, actually it may simplify and reduce a lot > of redundant code, reduce the manual (good > for developers and the users because will > need to read less to start working), avoid > conflicts in the mailing list (and > discussions like this). Help external > developers to provide better packages at leas > more organized and standard without conflicts > with the internal functionalities. ??? All that will happen from changing a bunch of keybindings? -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 https://dataswamp.org/~incal