From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: info-find-source Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 07:18:15 +0100 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <86fu759ffc.fsf@zoho.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1516169914 24159 195.159.176.226 (17 Jan 2018 06:18:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 06:18:34 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 17 07:18:30 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ebh3N-0005rI-6T for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Jan 2018 07:18:29 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40318 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ebh5M-0005Tl-T7 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Jan 2018 01:20:32 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!goblin2!goblin.stu.neva.ru!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 68 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: zRXoCvQ6k9fneBfYPnB6lQ.user.gioia.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:JCMF+pj5EbHxeezilUYPZYP4Hm0= Mail-Copies-To: never X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:221635 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:115752 Archived-At: Robert Thorpe wrote: > I think it's a mistake to over-emphasise the > editing modes, and their keybindings. > The viewing modes and the special modes are > just as important. They are as important (or unimportant I suppose) as the editing modes, however at least I spend only a fraction of my time there so the fluency compared to editing is - well, it hasn't reached the point where it can even be called "fluency", in all honesty. At the end of the day, editing and writing is where the creativity is. Everything else is support for that. (Support is important, of course.) > I spend a great deal of time in Dired, Info, > Help and reading mail. I also use Dired a lot. The creativity-support model doesn't really apply to that tho as Dired is about mucking around the file system. I find the original bindings to Dired generally long and out of place, and I have written a bunch of other Dired related Elisp as well [1]. However that was one of the first things I did with Emacs so it is possible some of it was unneccessary if the "mere" functionality is concerned. Info is what this thread is all about. Help I just look up a function or keystroke with without really doing anything else. But it has served me well. I don't get lost in it. For reading mails I use Gnus and it doesn't involve a lot of keys. Writing mails I consider creative, only perhaps the need/desire to do it seems to be greater when there is no other project that really holds a strong appeal, so it is more of an in-between pastime for me personally. Undisputably, the whole FOSS development movement is based on mails. > I also spend a fair amount of time in View, > Occur, Grep, Find, Compile and Shell. Of those I'm aware of "Compile" if you mean the compilation buffer. I never do anything there tho. Shell I consider creative or perhaps in the "Dired" category. > In my experience it's worth becoming > reasonably familiar with those modes and > their keybindings. It's true that doing that > means less practice with the normal > editing keybindings. Well, you don't really need MORE time there :) [1] http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/emacs-init/dired-my.el -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573