From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Arash Esbati Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: completing-read depricated initial-input Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2022 10:20:27 +0200 Message-ID: <86fsjvlrjo.fsf@gnu.org> References: <86r13hubaw.fsf_-_@gnu.org> <86letphfke.fsf_-_@gnu.org> <87bkuljsvz.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="21372"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 Cc: Drew Adams , Christopher Dimech , "eliz@gnu.org" , "monnier@iro.umontreal.ca" , Help Gnu Emacs , "carlmarcos@tutanota.com" , "michael_heerdegen@web.de" To: Po Lu Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 23 10:22:02 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1o4I6C-0005Gm-3B for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 10:22:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47474 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o4I6A-00039V-K4 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 04:21:58 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60362) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o4I53-00039F-Bd for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 04:20:49 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:38626) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o4I51-0003A8-JS; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 04:20:47 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:To: From; bh=fHhPgIsyxrE2r54uWXyCvQqI2UbPxifmCNPPOhy//JM=; b=q9bXThI9elfDlgEynLbN tq07BPs7lfLB+zIcgUsKhtmgDnY6GwblPN072hO5s/cdDw4jCqndcZHogOotDxsjAcIFiOe1/D0VM 2TcTdSP/Hq8S8b9zyaHuX0ES+gMQvmfRFU+vfWEKvBuP+DyuZYwbqyABLDioUHkyJeNHslg5jCqIe T/wf5CnjRe6uI4RqxRDB/aWfRVfeRDpffHEvYYI01Wovs90osF6XBTBzUUzlwWmCjjqjNaXwdXmiv jHwrrgZv8tL6TEOksfcNSJG/AsQs79a97AI69drpIg1r5AuPLXQiGg3bFdG6wO3FylkZXz5bxMuyE 6nxhs/2gE73mFQ==; Original-Received: from p4fe3ee56.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([79.227.238.86]:61033 helo=MUTANT) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o4I4x-00021P-TW; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 04:20:47 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87bkuljsvz.fsf@yahoo.com> (Po Lu's message of "Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:09:52 +0800") X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:138003 Archived-At: Po Lu writes: > Arash Esbati writes: > >> I agree that there are cases where INITIAL-INPUT still has its place, >> but as I said, I remember the reason for phasing it out was different >> than stylistic preferences. > > What other reason can there be? I can't think of any non-stylistic > reason to discourage using that argument. Improved user experience? But that means we have to find out what our definitions of "stylistic preferences / reason" are in the first place, but we don't have to go there. > If you think it is counterproductive to insert some initial value into > the minibuffer itself, then by all means recommend against using it. This is already done by Emacs itself. Please see my other answer to Drew where I quoted some text. > But don't obsolete the means of doing so. I'm not the decision maker here, and I don't have the impression that the means are getting obsoleted. > You do not have a place in dictating how users write their Lisp > programs. What do you mean with that "You"? I'm not involved in Emacs development and I'm not dictating anything; and I see no reason for you to get harsh. Best, Arash