From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Xah Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: basic question: going back to dired Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 01:55:23 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <86c00083-1e85-406a-885b-114b8cc70f7f@w39g2000prb.googlegroups.com> References: <4884DC7F.6060406@gmail.com> <819feff4-76e3-4bf8-9ece-7b47f099efc2@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217497380 2825 80.91.229.12 (31 Jul 2008 09:43:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:43:00 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 31 11:43:49 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KOUh3-0006Ju-5Z for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:43:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44825 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KOUg8-0005ti-JD for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:42:36 -0400 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!w39g2000prb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 51 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.6.97.120 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1217494523 20846 127.0.0.1 (31 Jul 2008 08:55:23 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:55:23 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: w39g2000prb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=24.6.97.120; posting-account=bRPKjQoAAACxZsR8_VPXCX27T2YcsyMA User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10_4_11; en) AppleWebKit/525.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.2 Safari/525.22, gzip(gfe), gzip(gfe) Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:160725 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:56078 Archived-At: Xah Lee wrote: =C2=ABI don't think its a good idea to teach or insist that people adopt emacs's terminologies.=C2=BB Some people say that if you want to use emacs, you have to use emacs's terminologies. Yes that is true. However, some terms are interchangable between emacs and other apps, and some emacs terminology still can use some change to adopt the changing world. For example, if you are learning calculus, and you got confused by the terminology of abscissa and ordinate. I say to you, that's just old terms for x-axis and y-axis. However, there are still math professors, who insist on the name abscissa and ordinate. The term x-axis and y- axis, to them, is dumb'd down, not-general, technically incorrect. This thread is over 100 now. In the coming days, i'll reply and give reasons on why i think emacs are better to adapt new terms for buffer and keybinding in its user manual. Thanks for all the thoughts. Xah =E2=88=91 http://xahlee.org/ =E2=98=84 On Jul 22, 5:50 am, Nikolaj Schumacher wrote: > Xah wrote: > > I don't think its a good idea to teach or insist that people adopt > > emacs's terminologies. > > I don't think its a good idea to teach or insist that people learn > French before going to Paris. French is a language that has been > adopted by France in the 1530s when there really weren't any other other > languages around, except big mainframe languages like Latin. In the > 20th century English developed as a > > > The reason emacs uses the technical terminologies throughout is > > because when emacs started in the 1980s, there really isn't any other > > text editors or even software applications. And, emacs users are all > > computer scientists and programers. > > I think it's a ridiculous idea to teach someone English before going to > Paris. Of course English is spoken pretty much everywhere in the world, > and it would arguably easier to stay in Paris if the