From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Lisp help messages in echo area Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 03:44:19 +0200 Message-ID: <86bmojvnv0.fsf@zoho.com> References: <87d1908ck2.fsf@ankarstrom.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1500255908 1964 195.159.176.226 (17 Jul 2017 01:45:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 01:45:08 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 17 03:45:04 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dWv5p-00004t-Nr for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 03:45:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47465 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dWv5u-0008DJ-TB for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2017 21:45:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56745) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dWv5Q-0008DD-KV for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2017 21:44:37 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dWv5N-0001sf-EA for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2017 21:44:36 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=44219 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dWv5N-0001sG-7G for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2017 21:44:33 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dWv5C-0006cD-6O for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 03:44:22 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Lines: 38 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org Mail-Copies-To: never Cancel-Lock: sha1:6hPreySSUIxpeh2EE0+LEPmMj/4= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:113778 Archived-At: John Ankarström wrote: > defun: (NAME ARGLIST &optional DOCSTRING DECL > &rest BODY) Knowing the interfaces of/to each component (e.g., a function) is the key to all programming and actually all *activity*. Having immediate access to it is the one advantage that will rule supreme. Many people think programming makes you practically inept - just staring at unworldly code all night long...?! This might hold true if you *only* do programming - such one-dimensionalness is of course harmful whatever field. But do programming *and* something else as well - trust me, this soon makes you better at doing "something else" than the people who do that all day every day! (Or at least just as good with much less effort.) For example, go to your tool box and pick up a combination spanner/wrench and a combination plier. "Examine" those tools, in the Shadowgate/Déjà Vu lingo, and identify their properties and interfaces as would a programmer. Then, have the very pleasant realization that having mastered programming - that is, the craft, not every detail which would be impossible - having mastered programming, everything else is child's play :) -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573