From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: the dumb Emacs terminal Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 00:38:22 +0200 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <8660sea141.fsf_-_@student.uu.se> References: <7184db3d-3990-4d23-8362-573c62056a4f@googlegroups.com> <86k2gwwd7a.fsf@student.uu.se> <86furkw8m5.fsf@student.uu.se> <86ziprajuh.fsf_-_@student.uu.se> <86mvlradjj.fsf@student.uu.se> <86inwfa7zm.fsf@student.uu.se> <86bn26a4rj.fsf_-_@student.uu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1468104034 30591 80.91.229.3 (9 Jul 2016 22:40:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 22:40:34 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 10 00:40:34 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bM0vG-0004oL-RI for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 00:40:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52619 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bM0vC-00055T-Ld for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 18:40:26 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!goblin2!goblin.stu.neva.ru!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 38 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: EoOtCC1fCYcttx6jjhWUlA.user.gioia.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) Mail-Copies-To: never Cancel-Lock: sha1:AgcUY1j9NOUxjkJ+qeuiDM6XpxU= X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:218445 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:110754 Archived-At: John Mastro writes: >> And does the Emacs terminal have to be dumb? > > M-x shell isn't really a terminal (emulator) > at all, which is also why you can't run e.g. > htop there. Right, you can't use even more basic stuff like 'clear'. Is it just able to output new lines, not change the state of what has already been outputted? > If you try "tput setaf 2 && echo green" in > either M-x term or M-x ansi-term, you'll see > that it does work there. Now it is beyond Las Vegas - it is a *circus*! http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/figures/emacs/emacs-terminal-emulator.png > I nonetheless prefer M-x shell over Emacs's > terminal emulators. Why go into the small workshop, when there is a big? Only a lot of shortcuts including M-x seem to be shadowed by the shell, that must be dealt with as I seldom or never use them with the shell but with Emacs I do it all the time obviously. So it should be mergable that way, God willing. -- underground experts united .... http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 Emacs Gnus Blogomatic ......... http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/blogomatic - so far: 56 Blogomatic articles -