From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Elisp really that slow? Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 03:35:42 +0200 Message-ID: <861s13yw41.fsf@zoho.eu> References: <20190502214006.4fdsinp7u5xuqvdv@Ergus> <20190503004416.xfuzzucflp6bxpuz@Ergus> <8736lm30lz.fsf@web.de> <864l61j04d.fsf@zoho.eu> <20190511073254.GB29829@tuxteam.de> <04187AB9-AD7D-492D-A890-BCB01848370C@icloud.com> <20190511075712.GD29829@tuxteam.de> <86a7fsfv1m.fsf@zoho.eu> <20190512075448.GA11650@tuxteam.de> <346107E9-590D-4A18-9152-ECFF36FC4EDC@icloud.com> <83r293bvok.fsf@gnu.org> <87ef53vihw.fsf@telefonica.net> <83mujrbsk7.fsf@gnu.org> <87a7frvfo1.fsf@telefonica.net> <83h89zbndc.fsf@gnu.org> <875zqfv7sb.fsf@telefonica.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="62797"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 13 03:36:07 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hPzsr-000GC6-GX for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 May 2019 03:36:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49403 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hPzsq-0008Un-D7 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 12 May 2019 21:36:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:56025) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hPzsf-0008MD-0B for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 12 May 2019 21:35:54 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hPzsd-0006iM-Qd for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 12 May 2019 21:35:52 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=36036 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hPzsd-0006hs-K8 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 12 May 2019 21:35:51 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hPzsa-000Fsx-9U for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 13 May 2019 03:35:48 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Cancel-Lock: sha1:D70E6AojylD5LUfl1r3fkHPguAA= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120333 Archived-At: Óscar Fuentes wrote: > When I started with Emacs around 20 years > ago, whenever something was incorrectly > indented or fontified on C++ code I was > writing it indicated an error on my part. > It was way ahead of any other editor. > Nowadays CC Mode can't handle C++ code styles > and constructs that became available shortly > afterwards the period I mentioned. > For languages that became popular since the > 1990's Emacs is barely adequate on some cases > and a non-starter on others. > > [...] It is terrible that now I have to > choose between a superb editor that is dumb > about what I'm writing and an average editor > that is imbricated with the language's > tooling and thus greatly helps me to be > more productive. OK, I see what you mean. Perhaps I was wrong in my pervious message just now. You want it but you can't improve it because you are busy _using_ it. Not everyone are derailed like me and can thus do whatever they want for no money. Well, that ain't no good, what you describe. > I'm certainly frustrated because this is > a self-inflicted problem. > Emacs' high-governance (and I mean "really > high", you know what I mean) forced some very > bad decisions upon the project (and not only > on Emacs) which put us all, developers and > users, on a really difficult position. What is this about? Please explain. -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573