From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Elisp really that slow? Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 06:52:51 +0200 Message-ID: <861s0f2pjw.fsf@zoho.eu> References: <20190514235412.kncazq45szlum2gr@Ergus> <83v9yb92c7.fsf@gnu.org> <878sv7sp3r.fsf@telefonica.net> <83r28z8zl9.fsf@gnu.org> <20190515210924.sijzy6mnpgzkt4gm@Ergus> <83ftpecwu1.fsf@gnu.org> <20190516161408.4dov3dwk5h4yoizn@Ergus> <838sv6cmwt.fsf@gnu.org> <20190516202327.5cgy2s4kppy3ahxa@Ergus> <871s0yqg2i.fsf@telefonica.net> <20190517085526.GC9018@tuxteam.de> <4583c850-121a-40cb-bbda-6c733d51a460@default> Reply-To: Emanuel Berg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="27687"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 31 06:53:25 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hWZXe-0006y8-Db for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 31 May 2019 06:53:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36700 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hWZXd-0006a6-3U for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 31 May 2019 00:53:21 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:49588) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hWZXN-0006Zq-He for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 31 May 2019 00:53:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hWZXM-00059Z-DW for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 31 May 2019 00:53:05 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=52696 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hWZXM-00053p-6Z for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 31 May 2019 00:53:04 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hWZXJ-0006a2-Nf for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 31 May 2019 06:53:01 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Cancel-Lock: sha1:lwKC9aS5PqcZGlHUcpwOt1PLv9s= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120711 Archived-At: Drew Adams wrote: > OTOH, a bazaar does have this advantage over > a cathedral: masses of user/developers > attracted (in whatever way initially - > click-bait/"oh-shiny" or not) do sometimes > improve a thing that might have started out > rudimentary or poorly designed. The bazaar is (or has been at least) far superior to the cathedral but that is a general statement/observation. If newcomers to Emacs think it looks unsexy and that it lacks IDE features, and no one in the Emacs community does anything about it (save for the unsexy thing, which they do at their own desks and dont propagate save for a random theme on MELPA no one cares to install let alone bring in as the new standard) then no, to Emacs and in the unsexy/IDE case it doesn't matter how much superior the bazaar model in general is. But then the question is, why do the Emacs people act this way? To make Emacs look good isn't difficult. But the IDE thing? The reason it hasn't happened is it is to difficult for the layman Emacs Elisp hacker, and those who could possibly pull it off are either to busy with other things or thinks it is too big a commitment to do on a voluntary-basis? -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 https://dataswamp.org/~incal