From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Why emacs have not native language menu Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:46:42 +0200 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <85hcnta30d.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <46A49912.9030203@luxdo.jp> <877ioqdoq9.fsf@voyager.informatimago.com> <87hcnuc6hz.fsf@voyager.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1185316841 30505 80.91.229.12 (24 Jul 2007 22:40:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:40:41 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 25 00:40:39 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IDT3V-0008R3-K9 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 00:40:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDT3V-0005c8-5v for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:40:37 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!feeder1-2.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder2-2.proxad.net!newsfeed.arcor.de!newsspool4.arcor-online.net!news.arcor.de.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:MnxqrJmIqwxzRMpugK9EocKnfNs= Original-Lines: 36 Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Jul 2007 23:46:44 CEST Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: dde63596.newsspool4.arcor-online.net Original-X-Trace: DXC=Ia9e21P7f0>^cW`WBF>WQ<4IUKec51_LiI6ENVa=3>5MOK`; S:bhJ List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:46009 Archived-At: Pascal Bourguignon writes: > Jean-Christophe Helary writes: >> [...] >> That is a possibility but obviously there are much more Japanese or >> French people who use their software now than then. > > Yes, applications. > > >> What good is a software package if it can't be used by >> linguistically challenged people ? > > Linguistically challenged people just cannot program. Interestingly, pretty much the only people I know without computing, mathematics or science backgrounds that developed admirable mastery with Emacs or TeX were proficient in the classics. And if you have read classical Greek, with its 3 modes, 7 tenses, 3 numeri, 3 voices, and its complex grammatical structure that has no problems spreading some unsuspecting sentence across several pages, a sentence which, not entirely unlike a delicate spring, to a river of sense swilling and into a sea expelling itself, from a slow start to a furious - Odysseus in his ire would have been no less intimidating - end continously waxing will finally, after a long, but yet not to be compared to those of the masters who can express sentiments like "you two should then have started to be a little ashamed of yourself" in a single word by choosing all the grammatical details appropriately, climax come to an end which, had you not been carefully nesting and unnesting the twines of the silkily woven threads of language not unlike a stack of bee hives or perhaps the playcards of a master, might have been unexpected or at least no longer fathomable. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum