From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Joseph Fineman via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Can I hire someone to fix my Gnus? (contd) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 19:11:33 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <85998489.1947538.1643051493197@mail.yahoo.com> References: <85998489.1947538.1643051493197.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Reply-To: Joseph Fineman Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32050"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 24 20:37:28 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nC59c-00083x-A6 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 20:37:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58090 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nC59b-0001OG-CM for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 14:37:27 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:53486) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nC4kg-0000qJ-B4 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 14:11:47 -0500 Original-Received: from sonic315-21.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([66.163.190.147]:34373) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nC4kb-00014d-AL for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 14:11:41 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=verizon.net; s=a2048; t=1643051494; bh=XmPqJsPyOMWwxCOB2CBW4nRqwChuU6HauHEV9j45HCY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:References:From:Subject:Reply-To; b=ksaOVpNJFR6glxti7ZF7AUBg6WMbvltR7hWu3QF26ygAhX8ARJ3tdMBg/rnIhe4myLf5+QOBFyFt3uasHFmaOfPtrz+qtUBdMlPBMGXowC8rEfjx/1Ap7CGutdxhT8HYOTwiR4Gy8pGD5CBCIDfKauRK30b4WG/OwpDDoM1DDtAve6SqpjFYdwiVOm52PlgTzJHG/QvnhHcthYjJ4pn1fDoNwkIJDPyBH30PWRDpNYoN/nnj5uYuyWu8NPte2EcBIoqeCtag3g83n/DiN4uHShxeIbemkezXUik17Plfv+aDxUYFHWRkld8SsiVjSyj2GpaiGSC5qCVrk3t4HvIAfA== X-SONIC-DKIM-SIGN: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1643051494; bh=mpbXvR0FBODiZmbHYRpm79Nj9UyuG3bE0vGlYiD0q0W=; h=X-Sonic-MF:Date:From:To:Subject:From:Subject; b=uHRyq0QnN2jiIvZtZKivHXeCbqKKafr3ihE7wvRTJTvl31mNDK3O+4L7aBsjHtTeCNEgMEsecNQuDzwXsDoXvC2Lsyq5JMg85GSsqkLPsef0MjqWqdGysnmvspNe5FoZe2xV2YDsFNX9OWz+1VaLdN1/pEW7ft29Qw+sjlDJPI5YusuP0ys6Ft8bh1WxJu+FDthLXsknoPc4eZOdJvcRlyxjro3Iw/HZ1MhrR9+tBRuFvX1lHCVmDyRJafS+eDkxK+e5okfOmRa/urH95K7DB3NoEIXzXQvRyxyrax6+D1LhAd3KBLXwxRZcWXSLBp1kJXaCVanBaheom8Nen0X2wQ== X-YMail-OSG: sw8Lv2AVM1mlG1YGdC4Ab5h88s0_m65BJSQtrQC.uldW5o9cPKEA_j_Mklpw8yv kO28RUuY06pTiJ1Jgb0xWwWKr0OJNAcWH8Rk34_DuoSXhrXa9Q6iM5v5Wv88AIQV8Yv6gEicm5qn 0nXKAkwDPHt6wWX9s3uU2pCH.RADiu3ujgMRWTqZm73aPhLkjmFZToRGY2TNUi610AErAuH0M4Nb OasrpjwtfVG8KYRiYiIRPmJZCo1eB6zWuIGGxsM26NM7uoqgIxfXRiaPE.YOnGya1Z4YBu7wYNEy h6CnFw1gQObouNZJznboEmsvBojvVnEMie0erJ1gpXDC14NGvoAMpIAFsI2qMg9J2WwZXtOFkyA_ .WCjdhg1IOQSqhcab8BC8gmbX829WmMps641t0WwER9Dg6IaQlBjRp8i_nxX1x1kvxk9h9rygG_l pJM5H_BXVctLuCLX0YQoetXJ3O2f.N0Qi7R0WBRbVnIWUpRPVw4W7IpWNvj5FVfg7kacTHD2yci7 eoOdgl9pg6NN5CfHvj8BuWM3TbcOfDMfTMjFdGX8JVychoKS2aVElOfmqHSCb9opTofrJ5kjSMdX tpV7M6FA1Z3dZ_m_A4sCmrBSuPf7udAgHgRgAOwXQyTYGac9QrKyFja0miLEmmIG3p7n5Yhs2WR5 w5wqvdjJ76c4zrQIYS04ZIk4lsrQYnfowAgJgRg1zuLteaHlGl4bMoEPOPB_rVF5qQ2hzsnhMruP KQkjbGO50voHpNDlcQMPf1n5WvtXLenFTSIoJHIG.zw2StyM7d2DLXzlRnKGQ17sPX1WipBF0e24 HgayvGWqvVs7cNzgMOMuSaS2FweZSsigump6MQJxjT X-Sonic-MF: Original-Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic315.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 19:11:34 +0000 X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.19615 aolwebmail Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.190.147; envelope-from=joe_f@verizon.net; helo=sonic315-21.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" X-ACL-Warn: , Joseph Fineman Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:135517 Archived-At: Dear help-gnu-emacs: I have used GNU Emacs since 1986, and Gnus since 2000.=C2=A0 At present I use Emacs 26.1 (build 1, x86_64-w-64-mingw32) under Cygwin (64 bit) 2.0.2(0.287/5/3) under Windows 10.0 Pro (64 bit), build 10240 (1511). My ISP is Verizon, but, as a result of a deal Verizon made with AOL when Verizon stopped handling email, AOL now handles my email though I still have the Verizon address. Last February I sought your help in restoring the functioning of my Gnus, which was misbehaving.=C2=A0 Various people, including especially Eric Abrahamsen, were patient with my ignorance and clumsiness (I am not a programmer and am edging into dementia) and tried to help me find my way, without result.=C2=A0 At one point, however, I noticed what seemed to me an oddity in my setting of gnus-secondary-select-methods, and changed it on the basis of a mere guess.=C2=A0 Amazingly, that worked (with the need for some workarounds).=C2=A0 Dr Abrahamsen did not understand why; he said that what I had done was irrelevant.=C2=A0 Here is the final interchange: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Abrahamsen Subject: Re: Downloaded emails disappear... To: "Joseph C. Fineman" Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2021 11:21:52 -0800 (3 hours, 6 minutes, 45 seconds ago) On 02/24/21 14:16 PM, Joseph C. Fineman wrote: > Dear Eric: > > Thank you for your continued attention.=C2=A0 I wrote > >> >> Try "^" from the *Group* buffer to get into the *Server* buffer -- th= at >> >> shows what Gnus is actually connecting to. [...] >> You shouldn't have to do any more song and dance -- once configured and >> the groups subscribed to, Gnus won't lose that configuration. > >> One problem is that '(nnml "smtp.verizon.net") isn't really what you >> want. Anything with "smtp" in it is only related to *sending* mail, not >> retrieving or reading it. The 'nnml backend is only for holding and >> reading mail, and not fetching it from the server. > >> What you want for fetching is a "mail source": the "Mail Source >> Specifiers" section of the manual shows some examples. A POP server >> looks like: > >> (pop :server "pop3.mailserver.com" :user "myname") > >> So that might be what you want. The mail source will fetch the mail, >> then store it in your 'nnml backend. > >> You're already able to retrieve mail though, right? It seems like you >> should already have all this configured and running correctly... > > I am baffled by this advice.=C2=A0 I did not configure anything.=C2=A0 Al= l I did > was substitute "smtp.verizon.net" (which you say is wrong) for the > puzzling empty string that had been assigned to > gnu-secondary-select-methods.=C2=A0 That sufficed to make the incoming ma= il > visible again, as I mentioned.=C2=A0 Indeed, the "bloat" in the listing h= as > since disappeared, so my interaction with Gnus is now normal. > > In any case, it seems that, by whatever mysterious accident, my Gnus > is working again, so I need not bother you again until the next > mystery surfaces. Ha, well, if it ain't broke...! I don't understand why that works, but probably best not to mess with it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- As you might expect, it didn't last.=C2=A0 Since 3 January I have not been able to either send or receive using Gnus.=C2=A0 The error message, FWIW, was ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail source (pop :server pop.verizon.net :port 995 :user =C2=A0 joe_f@verizon.net :password ********) error (-ERR [SYS/TEMP] Server =C2=A0 error - Please try again later.).=C2=A0 Continue? (yes or no) no ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (I continued to be able to read newsgroups for a day or two; then that stopped as well.) At any rate, nobody in the world now knows why my Gnus was working or (a fortiori) why it is not working now.=C2=A0 A friend who is a real programmer (but not a Gnus expert) guessed:=C2=A0 "That looks like it was conceivably a (temporary?) error on the Verizon end of things."=C2=A0 Not temporary, anyway. In the meantime, my short-term memory has continued to decline, and it is hard for me to understand instructions.=C2=A0 I can read & write email directly on AOL's Web site, but it is tedious to work around its assumptions.=C2=A0 It would be gratifying to get back to Gnus.=C2=A0 A way = that has occurred to me is to hire someone who understands Gnus to pretend to be me and deal directly with the problem, including communicating with AOL and/or Verizon as necessary.=C2=A0 In this age, with remote desktop software available, it would presumably not be necessary to for that person to make housecalls, though some security precautions might be necessary. If you can put me on the track of such a person, I would be most grateful, and he or she might make a little money. --=20 ---=C2=A0 Joe Fineman=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 joe_f@verizon.net ||:=C2=A0 The guitar is beautiful; the banjo is sublime.=C2=A0 :||