From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs documentation sources Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:17:40 +0200 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <858x6reucb.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <711a73df0709260104l97cb41ft5fee3a882cef05c9@mail.gmail.com> <85ve9x431f.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <85y7eseiom.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1190925650 7012 80.91.229.12 (27 Sep 2007 20:40:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:40:50 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 27 22:40:45 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Ib09z-0003A4-6q for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:40:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ib09v-00026M-QJ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:40:31 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed01.chello.at!newsfeed.arcor.de!newsspool2.arcor-online.net!news.arcor.de.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:1eUAMhRGWEH5NixBK+s2QPK0SJ8= Original-Lines: 28 Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Sep 2007 22:17:39 CEST Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: f3aa24bf.newsspool2.arcor-online.net Original-X-Trace: DXC=la710F; 4hmbIkjb; <8iR=aA9EHlD; 3Ycb4Fo<]lROoRa<`=YMgDjhgbWFfnb[dGL]d1_LiI6ENVam3>5MOK`; S:bhJl>WJ_4lliE25n=`2kMfk Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet-abuse@arcor.de Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:152429 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:47938 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: David Kastrup >> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:17:13 +0200 >> >> Do you really claim the ephemeral size of the help buffer to be an >> important consideration concerning the size of DOC strings? > > Do you really claim that the size of DOC strings is of no concern at > all? Since they reside in the .elc files and/or the DOC file and are only ever loaded into memory temporarily when they are actually consulted, they take up only disk space, not main memory. Just like the manual. So yes, I disagree with the following claim of you that you made in the thread and seemingly already forgot: Doc strings not always target newbies, because they cannot be too wordy (due to considerations of memory footprint of the running Emacs). The memory footprint of the running Emacs is not affected by DOC strings since DOC strings from byte-compiled or preloaded files are not kept in memory. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum