From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Icon designer wanted (Aquamacs Emacs) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 15:26:27 +0100 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <851wzmsqcs.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <54321A2A-3F36-4416-B473-49AC11FF057F@gmail.com> <853bk5gwa8.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <792D87C1-B9A9-495E-9335-7139845D1CB0@gmail.com> <85fyo4zvei.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87sls47lvd.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> <85wthftsme.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <85mziasu6z.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1136482175 17330 80.91.229.2 (5 Jan 2006 17:29:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:29:35 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 05 18:29:34 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EuYvC-0007Jh-6z for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 18:29:06 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EuYwv-0006AW-S4 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 12:30:53 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news.belwue.de!newsfeed.arcor.de!news.arcor.de!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Kg8DpESWavNr4kQArBbDBCMg3Y4= Original-Lines: 36 Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 05 Jan 2006 15:26:23 MET Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 88697645.newsread4.arcor-online.net Original-X-Trace: DXC=1U5:Q\jFV`j; XK28C2J>>h:ejgIfPPlddjW\KbG]kaMhGSi?jHD8GO`90; `b1iH8Gd1_LiI6ENVam3>5MOK` List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:32451 Archived-At: Tim McNamara writes: > It's too bad that you are determined to be narrow minded and utterly > convinced of your rightness, and fail to be willing to look beyond > your narrow world view. It's also a poor reflection on gnu.org that > you are determined to denigrate and insult anyone who has the > temerity to disagree with you. Try to find a single insult in my writing. > Dogmatism is never pretty and almost never results in progress. > > Attitudes like yours do nothing but damage the free software > movement and will result in it being little more than a footnote in > computer history. Unfortunately, history has time and again shown that only those that bother about the pesky details of freedom will ultimately prevail with it. It is no accident that the "dogmatic" GPL covers about 90% of all free software. Richard Stallman is by far the most-denigrated person in the whole free software movement, and it is not always easy or pleasurable to work with him. Yet the values he has been creating and inspiring will carry on after him, and part of the reason is that he always bothers about the additional 10 yards that it takes to ensure this. Wishful thinking alone never cuts it in the real world. The ability to craft a pretty MacOSX-only thing from Emacs is part of the value of free software. Doing so exercises the freedom, but it does nothing to sustain it. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum