Another word for "path"?

Another word for "path"?

[Kai Großjohann]

A Tramp filename consists of the following parts:

  - a method specification
  - a user name
  - a host name
  - and a path specifying the file on the remote host

Now the GNU coding standards say that the word "path" is defined as a
list of directories, such as those found in $PATH and $MANPATH.

Which word could I use for the fourth component of a Tramp filename?
I think "filename" is not a good word, as I already use it for the
whole thing.
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Re: Another word for "path"?

[Romain FRANCOISE]

kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de (Kai Großjohann) writes:

> Which word could I use for the fourth component of a Tramp filename?
> I think "filename" is not a good word, as I already use it for the
> whole thing.

Why don't you rename the whole thing "Tramp file object" or something
similar?  This way you could use "filename" for the filename, which
would make sense.

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Re: Another word for "path"?

[Alfred M. Szmidt]

   Which word could I use for the fourth component of a Tramp filename?
   I think "filename" is not a good word, as I already use it for the
   whole thing.

What about "remote filename"?

Re: Another word for "path"?

[Kai Großjohann]

Romain FRANCOISE <romain@orebokech.com> writes:

> kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de (Kai Großjohann) writes:
>
>> Which word could I use for the fourth component of a Tramp filename?
>> I think "filename" is not a good word, as I already use it for the
>> whole thing.
>
> Why don't you rename the whole thing "Tramp file object" or something
> similar?

Well, an example "Tramp file object" would be
/ssh:kai@server:/path/to/file.  Also, you enter it after C-x C-f.
And it seems to me that things that you enter after C-x C-f should be
called filenames.

But maybe I'm wrong?
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Re: Another word for "path"?

[Billy O'Connor]

kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de (Kai Großjohann) writes:

> Romain FRANCOISE <romain@orebokech.com> writes:
>
>> kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de (Kai Großjohann) writes:
>>
>>> Which word could I use for the fourth component of a Tramp filename?
>>> I think "filename" is not a good word, as I already use it for the
>>> whole thing.
>>
>> Why don't you rename the whole thing "Tramp file object" or something
>> similar?
>
> Well, an example "Tramp file object" would be
> /ssh:kai@server:/path/to/file.  Also, you enter it after C-x C-f.
> And it seems to me that things that you enter after C-x C-f should be
> called filenames.
>
> But maybe I'm wrong?

Wow, I've just started with Tramp, that is the damndest thing I've
ever seen.  How convenient!  Thank you Kai, et al, excellent work.  

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      - Jonathan Corbet, LWN

Re: Another word for "path"?

[Romain FRANCOISE]

kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de (Kai Großjohann) writes:

> Well, an example "Tramp file object" would be
> /ssh:kai@server:/path/to/file.  Also, you enter it after C-x C-f.
> And it seems to me that things that you enter after C-x C-f should be
> called filenames.

Hm, yeah, it doesn't fit.

Ange-FTP calls this kind of filenames "extended filenames", how about
that?  I think it describes the purpose of the thing quite well...  It's
a filename with more stuff than just a filename: a method, user and
host.

What do you think?

(The added bonus is that now that Tramp and Ange-FTP filenames look
alike, the user won't be confused by different names.)

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Re: Another word for "path"?

[Galen Boyer]

On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de wrote:
> A Tramp filename consists of the following parts:
> 
>   - a method specification
>   - a user name
>   - a host name
>   - and a path specifying the file on the remote host
> 
> Now the GNU coding standards say that the word "path" is defined as a
> list of directories, such as those found in $PATH and $MANPATH.
> 
> Which word could I use for the fourth component of a Tramp filename?
> I think "filename" is not a good word, as I already use it for the
> whole thing.

filedir

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Re: Another word for "path"?

[Andrew Markebo]

|
| Ange-FTP calls this kind of filenames "extended filenames", how about

Hmm Filename++? ;-) FilenameNG? UniversalFilename?

    /Andy

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Re: Another word for "path"?

[Harry Putnam]

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kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de (Kai Großjohann) writes:

> A Tramp filename consists of the following parts:
>
>   - a method specification
>   - a user name
>   - a host name
>   - and a path specifying the file on the remote host
>
> Now the GNU coding standards say that the word "path" is defined as a
> list of directories, such as those found in $PATH and $MANPATH.
>
> Which word could I use for the fourth component of a Tramp filename?
> I think "filename" is not a good word, as I already use it for the
> whole thing.

I think `absolute filename' is kind of the standard term for that.

Re: Another word for "path"?

[David Kastrup]

Harry Putnam <hgp@sbcglobal.net> writes:

> kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de (Kai Großjohann) writes:
> 
> > A Tramp filename consists of the following parts:
> >
> >   - a method specification
> >   - a user name
> >   - a host name
> >   - and a path specifying the file on the remote host
> >
> > Now the GNU coding standards say that the word "path" is defined as a
> > list of directories, such as those found in $PATH and $MANPATH.
> >
> > Which word could I use for the fourth component of a Tramp filename?
> > I think "filename" is not a good word, as I already use it for the
> > whole thing.
> 
> I think `absolute filename' is kind of the standard term for that.

Absolute implies completeness.  How about "hosted filename"?  Or
"local filename"?  If you need it in one word, you could cook up
"localname" for it.

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Re: Another word for "path"?

[Romain FRANCOISE]

Harry Putnam <hgp@sbcglobal.net> writes:

> I think `absolute filename' is kind of the standard term for that.

The filename part of a "Tramp filename" doesn't need to be absolute;
giving a relative filename will work as well.  So it's probably not the
best name.

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Re: Another word for "path"?

[Kai Großjohann]

David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> writes:

> Absolute implies completeness.  How about "hosted filename"?  Or
> "local filename"?  If you need it in one word, you could cook up
> "localname" for it.

Localname is quite nice.  I'll take that.  Thanks!
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Re: Another word for "path"?

[gebser]

Kai,

Consistency is nice.  It would make it easier to find related variables.

If the components were named:

tramp-remote-access-method
tramp-remote-user
tramp-remote-host
tramp-remote-path
tramp-remote-file

The whole thing concatenated would be: 

tramp-remote-access-spec

If "local" means the machine connected to the keyboard under my fingers,
then "remote" is the machine at the far end of the connection I'm using
tramp to make.  The term "spec" (short for "specification") denotes all
of that which needs to be specified, but also that it may be a directory 
(yes?).


Just my 2%USD,
ken

Kai Großjohann at 15:20 (UTC+0100) on Sat, 18 Jan 2003 said:

= A Tramp filename consists of the following parts:
= 
=   - a method specification
=   - a user name
=   - a host name
=   - and a path specifying the file on the remote host
= 
= Now the GNU coding standards say that the word "path" is defined as a
= list of directories, such as those found in $PATH and $MANPATH.
= 
= Which word could I use for the fourth component of a Tramp filename?
= I think "filename" is not a good word, as I already use it for the
= whole thing.
= 

Re: Another word for "path"?

[David Masterson]

>>>>> Kai Großjohann writes:

> A Tramp filename consists of the following parts:
>   - a method specification
>   - a user name
>   - a host name
>   - and a path specifying the file on the remote host

> Now the GNU coding standards say that the word "path" is defined as a
> list of directories, such as those found in $PATH and $MANPATH.

> Which word could I use for the fourth component of a Tramp filename?
> I think "filename" is not a good word, as I already use it for the
> whole thing.

Maybe the whole thing should be a ... "network object"?

After all, aren't you specifying something that exists on a (possibly
loosely coupled) network?

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Re: Another word for "path"?

[Pascal Bourguignon]

kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de (Kai Großjohann) writes:

> A Tramp filename consists of the following parts:
> 
>   - a method specification
>   - a user name
>   - a host name
>   - and a path specifying the file on the remote host
> 
> Now the GNU coding standards say that the word "path" is defined as a
> list of directories, such as those found in $PATH and $MANPATH.

Whatever... Where have you seen 'path' defined this way?

A path is  a path, and a path  to a file is a list  of directory entry
names, the last of  which is _a_ name of the file  and the other names
of directories.

$PATH and $MANPATH are misnomers  because they don't contain one path,
but a list of paths to the directories where commands or man pages are
to  be  searched.   At most  the  could  have  been named  $PATHS  and
$MANPATHS but better names would have been: $CMDDIRS and $MANDIRS.

Let's stop now with the novlang, and name your path 'path'!


> Which word could I use for the fourth component of a Tramp filename?
> I think "filename" is not a good word, as I already use it for the
> whole thing.

Obviously, the whole thing is a URL!  http://user@host/path
Why do you call it a Tramp file name?


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Re: Another word for "path"?

[Kai Großjohann]

Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:

> kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de (Kai Großjohann) writes:
>
>> A Tramp filename consists of the following parts:
>> 
>>   - a method specification
>>   - a user name
>>   - a host name
>>   - and a path specifying the file on the remote host
>> 
>> Now the GNU coding standards say that the word "path" is defined as a
>> list of directories, such as those found in $PATH and $MANPATH.
>
> Whatever... Where have you seen 'path' defined this way?

GNU coding standards.  Since Tramp is a GNU program (or part of it,
anyway), it's a good idea to adhere to this document :-)

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Re: Another word for "path"?

[Barry Margolin]

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In article <84u1g2cu7k.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de>,
Kai Großjohann <kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de> wrote:
>Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:
>
>> kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de (Kai Großjohann) writes:
>>
>>> A Tramp filename consists of the following parts:
>>> 
>>>   - a method specification
>>>   - a user name
>>>   - a host name
>>>   - and a path specifying the file on the remote host
>>> 
>>> Now the GNU coding standards say that the word "path" is defined as a
>>> list of directories, such as those found in $PATH and $MANPATH.
>>
>> Whatever... Where have you seen 'path' defined this way?
>
>GNU coding standards.  Since Tramp is a GNU program (or part of it,
>anyway), it's a good idea to adhere to this document :-)

Unix has always referred to something like /foo/bar/baz as a pathname.

I've always understood a list of directories like in $PATH to be called a
"search path", to distinguish it from a "file path".

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Re: Another word for "path"?

[Johan Bockgård]

Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:

> kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de (Kai Großjohann) writes:
> 
> > A Tramp filename consists of the following parts:
> > 
> >   - a method specification
> >   - a user name
> >   - a host name
> >   - and a path specifying the file on the remote host
> > 
> > Now the GNU coding standards say that the word "path" is defined as a
> > list of directories, such as those found in $PATH and $MANPATH.
> 
> Whatever... Where have you seen 'path' defined this way?
[...]
> Let's stop now with the novlang, and name your path 'path'!

Straight from the horse's mouth:
http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2003-01/msg00320.html

/Johan

RE: Another word for "path"?

[Bingham, Jay]

Take a look at the Foldoc entry http://foldoc.doc.ic.ac.uk/foldoc/foldoc.cgi?pathname
This may help solve your dilemma.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Johan Bockgård [mailto:bojohan@helm.dd.chalmers.se] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 4:12 PM
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Another word for "path"?

Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:

> kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de (Kai Großjohann) writes:
> 
> > A Tramp filename consists of the following parts:
> > 
> >   - a method specification
> >   - a user name
> >   - a host name
> >   - and a path specifying the file on the remote host
> > 
> > Now the GNU coding standards say that the word "path" is defined as a
> > list of directories, such as those found in $PATH and $MANPATH.
> 
> Whatever... Where have you seen 'path' defined this way?
[...]
> Let's stop now with the novlang, and name your path 'path'!

Straight from the horse's mouth:
http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2003-01/msg00320.html

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Re: Another word for "path"?

[Kai Großjohann]

"Bingham, Jay" <Jay.Bingham@hp.com> writes:

> Take a look at the Foldoc entry http://foldoc.doc.ic.ac.uk/foldoc/foldoc.cgi?pathname
> This may help solve your dilemma.

No.  It tells me to continue using "path".  But that's exactly what I
don't want.  For other programs, other conventions might hold, but for
Emacs the convention is different, and so I want to follow the Emacs
convention.

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Re: Another word for "path"?

[David Masterson]

>>>>> Barry Margolin writes:

> In article <84u1g2cu7k.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de>,
> Kai Großjohann <kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de> wrote:
>> Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:

>>> Whatever... Where have you seen 'path' defined this way?

>> GNU coding standards.  Since Tramp is a GNU program (or part of it,
>> anyway), it's a good idea to adhere to this document :-)

> Unix has always referred to something like /foo/bar/baz as a
> pathname.

I thought it always referred to as "filename".  I think the term
"pathname" became more prevalent after $PATH came into being (so it
does go back a *long* way).

> I've always understood a list of directories like in $PATH to be
> called a "search path", to distinguish it from a "file path".

Didn't VMS have a "file path" type concept that was more akin to $PATH
such that you could say "$PATH:file" and it would search the PATH for
a "file"?  Maybe it was also a concept in TOPS-20/10, but that's too
far back for me to remember clearly.

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Re: Another word for "path"?

[Barry Margolin]

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In article <un0lthvyy.fsf@synopsys.com>,
David Masterson  <dmaster@synopsys.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Barry Margolin writes:
>
>> In article <84u1g2cu7k.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de>,
>> Kai Großjohann <kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de> wrote:
>>> Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:
>
>>>> Whatever... Where have you seen 'path' defined this way?
>
>>> GNU coding standards.  Since Tramp is a GNU program (or part of it,
>>> anyway), it's a good idea to adhere to this document :-)
>
>> Unix has always referred to something like /foo/bar/baz as a
>> pathname.
>
>I thought it always referred to as "filename".  I think the term
>"pathname" became more prevalent after $PATH came into being (so it
>does go back a *long* way).

"filename" is often used to refer to the individual components of a
pathname, e.g. "foo", "bar", and "baz" are filenames.

The term "pathname" goes way back to the 60's -- it was used by Multics
designers.

>> I've always understood a list of directories like in $PATH to be
>> called a "search path", to distinguish it from a "file path".
>
>Didn't VMS have a "file path" type concept that was more akin to $PATH
>such that you could say "$PATH:file" and it would search the PATH for
>a "file"?  Maybe it was also a concept in TOPS-20/10, but that's too
>far back for me to remember clearly.

I think they called them "logical devices", or something like that, because
you used them in a pathname in place of a disk device.

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RE: Another word for "path"?

[Bingham, Jay]

On  Wednesday, January 22, 2003 12:37 PM David Masterson writes:

>>>>>> Barry Margolin writes:
>
>> In article <84u1g2cu7k.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de>,
>> Kai Großjohann <kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de> wrote:
>>> Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:
>
>>>> Whatever... Where have you seen 'path' defined this way?
>
>>> GNU coding standards.  Since Tramp is a GNU program (or part of it,
>>> anyway), it's a good idea to adhere to this document :-)
>
>> Unix has always referred to something like /foo/bar/baz as a
>> pathname.
>
>I thought it always referred to as "filename".  I think the term
>"pathname" became more prevalent after $PATH came into being (so it
>does go back a *long* way).
>
>> I've always understood a list of directories like in $PATH to be
>> called a "search path", to distinguish it from a "file path".
>
>Didn't VMS have a "file path" type concept that was more akin to $PATH
>such that you could say "$PATH:file" and it would search the PATH for
>a "file"?  Maybe it was also a concept in TOPS-20/10, but that's too
>far back for me to remember clearly.

VMS did have such a concept, how I miss it.  A "symbol" could be defined that contained a series of directory specifications.  The symbol was not limited to name PATH so multiple search path symbols could be defined and did not require a $ preceding it.  It was very useful, it is too bad that Unix does not have a similar facility.

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Re: Another word for "path"?

[Daniel Barclay]

Kai Großjohann wrote:
> 
> A Tramp filename consists of the following parts:
> 
>   - a method specification
>   - a user name
>   - a host name
>   - and a path specifying the file on the remote host
> 
> Now the GNU coding standards say that the word "path" is defined as a
> list of directories, such as those found in $PATH and $MANPATH.

That's a search path.  (If GNU calls that "path," they're being
ambiguous.)

> Which word could I use for the fourth component of a Tramp filename?

That's a pathname (a name based on a traversal path through a tree
graph representing a name hierarchy).


Daniel
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Re: Another word for "path"?

[Daniel Barclay]

Kai Großjohann wrote:
> 
> A Tramp filename consists of the following parts:
> 
>   - a method specification
>   - a user name
>   - a host name
>   - and a path specifying the file on the remote host

Also:  

That looks a lot like a URI.  You might look at the URI terminology
in RFC 2396 (http://rfc.sunsite.dk/rfc/rfc2396.html).

Daniel
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Re: Another word for "path"?

[Friedrich Dominicus]

Daniel Barclay <dsb@smart.net> writes:

> Kai Großjohann wrote:
> > 
> > A Tramp filename consists of the following parts:
> > 
> >   - a method specification
> >   - a user name
> >   - a host name
> >   - and a path specifying the file on the remote host
> 
> Also:  
> 
> That looks a lot like a URI.  You might look at the URI terminology
> in RFC 2396 (http://rfc.sunsite.dk/rfc/rfc2396.html).
Maybe, this is the right choice but I was thinking Kai wanted a more
general term for path. As I reread this mails "file-locator" has come
to my mind. Am not sure if it's good but a least a suggestion.

Friedrich

Re: Another word for "path"?

[Kai Großjohann]

Friedrich Dominicus <frido@q-software-solutions.com> writes:

> Maybe, this is the right choice but I was thinking Kai wanted a more
> general term for path. As I reread this mails "file-locator" has come
> to my mind. Am not sure if it's good but a least a suggestion.

I think I'm going to use `localname'.
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Re: Another word for "path"?

[Friedrich Dominicus]

kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de (Kai Großjohann) writes:

> Friedrich Dominicus <frido@q-software-solutions.com> writes:
> 
> > Maybe, this is the right choice but I was thinking Kai wanted a more
> > general term for path. As I reread this mails "file-locator" has come
> > to my mind. Am not sure if it's good but a least a suggestion.
> 
> I think I'm going to use `localname'.
Does not fit if you have another host in it...

Regards
Friedrich

Re: Another word for "path"?

[Kai Großjohann]

Friedrich Dominicus <frido@q-software-solutions.com> writes:

> kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de (Kai Großjohann) writes:
>
>> Friedrich Dominicus <frido@q-software-solutions.com> writes:
>> 
>> > Maybe, this is the right choice but I was thinking Kai wanted a more
>> > general term for path. As I reread this mails "file-locator" has come
>> > to my mind. Am not sure if it's good but a least a suggestion.
>> 
>> I think I'm going to use `localname'.
> Does not fit if you have another host in it...

Hm?  There are two kinds of Tramp filenames, multi-hop names and
normal names.  Normal names look like this:

    /method:user@host:/path/to/file

Multi-hop names look like this (using "[...]" to indicate that I've
left out something):

    /multi:m1:u1@h1:m2:u2@h2:[...]:mN:uN@hN:/path/to/file

In both cases, I'm looking for a word that describes "/path/to/file".

So if a hostname is mentioned in "/path/to/file", it will not be
interpreted specially.

It *is* somewhat confusing that the "localname" names a file on a
remote host, but that just depends on the way you look at it...
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Re: Another word for "path"?

[Daniel Pfeiffer]

kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de (Kai Großjohann) skribis:
> There are two kinds of Tramp filenames, multi-hop names and
> normal names.  Normal names look like this:
> 
>     /method:user@host:/path/to/file
> 
> Multi-hop names look like this (using "[...]" to indicate that I've
> left out something):
> 
>     /multi:m1:u1@h1:m2:u2@h2:[...]:mN:uN@hN:/path/to/file
> 
> In both cases, I'm looking for a word that describes "/path/to/file".
> 
> So if a hostname is mentioned in "/path/to/file", it will not be
> interpreted specially.
> 
> It *is* somewhat confusing that the "localname" names a file on a
> remote host, but that just depends on the way you look at it...

But using NFS, AFS or somesuch, /path/to/file may still be remote, even from
/multi:m1:u1@h1:m2:u2@h2:[...]:mN:uN@hN:

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Re: Another word for "path"?

[Rodney Sparapani]

Kai Großjohann wrote:

>Hm?  There are two kinds of Tramp filenames, multi-hop names and
>normal names.  Normal names look like this:
>
>    /method:user@host:/path/to/file
>
>Multi-hop names look like this (using "[...]" to indicate that I've
>left out something):
>
>    /multi:m1:u1@h1:m2:u2@h2:[...]:mN:uN@hN:/path/to/file
>
>In both cases, I'm looking for a word that describes "/path/to/file".
>
>So if a hostname is mentioned in "/path/to/file", it will not be
>interpreted specially.
>
>It *is* somewhat confusing that the "localname" names a file on a
>remote host, but that just depends on the way you look at it...
>  
>
I agree that "localname" is confusing.  It seems to me that 
"/path/to/file" is what the emacs
documentation calls "directory", i.e. "directory/file".  Also, the 
documentation mentions
"absolute path name" which would start with either / or ~.  I might 
further qualify it by
"absolute/relative path name" when I'm referring to the concept of 
"directory/file".  As a
final thought, I have also struggled with the GNU Emacs/elisp Coding 
Standards and I think
it would be helpful if they addressed both "path" and "file name" with 
examples that
demonstrate what the standards actually want (perhaps this will do :o).

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Re: Another word for "path"?

[Kai Großjohann]

Rodney Sparapani <rsparapa@mcw.edu> writes:

> Kai Großjohann wrote:
>
>>Hm?  There are two kinds of Tramp filenames, multi-hop names and
>>normal names.  Normal names look like this:
>>
>>    /method:user@host:/path/to/file
>>
>>Multi-hop names look like this (using "[...]" to indicate that I've
>>left out something):
>>
>>    /multi:m1:u1@h1:m2:u2@h2:[...]:mN:uN@hN:/path/to/file
>>
>>In both cases, I'm looking for a word that describes "/path/to/file".
>>
>>So if a hostname is mentioned in "/path/to/file", it will not be
>>interpreted specially.
>>
>>It *is* somewhat confusing that the "localname" names a file on a
>>remote host, but that just depends on the way you look at it...
>
> I agree that "localname" is confusing.  It seems to me that
> "/path/to/file" is what the emacs documentation calls "directory",
> i.e. "directory/file".

I'm sorry that I believe this is not right, either.  After C-x d, for
instance, you're supposed to type a directory name.  So people have
to include the "user@host" part and stuff.

I need something that specifies the part after the last colon only,
and that will not be confused with the whole string.

So I think that file and directory are out (because they are normally
used for the whole shebang), and pathname is also out (because the
GNU or Emacs coding standards specify that a path is a list of
directories, like $PATH and $MANPATH).

Hm, actually, (string= "pathname" "path") => nil, so maybe I can get
away with using pathname.
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