From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: kai.grossjohann@gmx.net (Kai =?iso-8859-1?q?Gro=DFjohann?=) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: New Emacs with GTK! Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 18:21:16 +0200 Organization: University of Duisburg, Germany Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <84isty429v.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de> References: <87n0jdiebe.fsf@cecilia.trollope.org> <8465pzs12r.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de> <84brzqbcrq.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1049218322 22984 80.91.224.249 (1 Apr 2003 17:32:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 17:32:02 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 01 19:32:01 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 190PXt-0005j7-00 for ; Tue, 01 Apr 2003 19:27:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 190PVr-0006Gp-02 for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Apr 2003 12:25:31 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pd951f028.dip.t-dialin.NET!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 50 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: pd951f028.dip.t-dialin.net (217.81.240.40) Original-X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1049217716 4044453 217.81.240.40 (16 [73968]) Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.090018 (Oort Gnus v0.18) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:tC+S+4h+lUUYX2opR8bkelkZ5HY= Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:111564 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:8064 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:8064 Sven Utcke writes: > Oh dear. I didn't know there where any scrollbars out there (except > in MS-land, that is) which did _not_ implement this very usefull > behaviour. Heh :-) FWIW, the newest innovation in scrollbar land that I can remember at the moment is to cluster the up and down arrows. You know, normally a scrollbar looks like this: ^ | ...lots of lines omitted... | v And you click on the little "v" at the bottom and hold down the mouse button and whoops! you have scrolled too far. Then you get to run the mouse from the very bottom of the screen to near the top of the screen, have to hit the little "^" to scroll back a couple of lines. Now, the innovation consists of making the scrollbar look like this: ^ | ...deleted lines... | ^ v That way, you don't have to travel so far from "v" to (the bottom) "^". Isn't innovation wonderful? I still have fond memories of the OpenLook (OpenWindows? XView?) scrollbar. There the thumb had three fields, the middle one for dragging, the top and bottom for scrolling linewise. And you could click above or below the thumb/slider to scroll pagewise. And you didn't have to move your mouse after clicking any of these! The mouse pointer was warped to the right spot so you could keep on clicking! Bliss! (It's not as nice as the Xaw scrollbar, but the Xaw scrollbar really wants three mouse buttons, so the OpenLook thing might be good for Macintoshes :-) -- A preposition is not a good thing to end a sentence with.